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Dear Colin and others, I've just got this. The first thing that I notice is not mentioned is the Mental Health Review Tribunal. An application for a review of the detention and treatment needs to be sent in very soon. The waiting time is quite long, I believe, so the sooner that application gets sent in the better. It is illegal for the hospital to refuse her permission to do this. Secondly, as a former registered psychiatric nurse, I'm a bit taken aback that she has been admitted on a section 3. Unless things have changed in the last few years, this is very unusual, the process being s2 (admission for assessment), being converted to a s3 if necessary later. Does Yvonne have previous history that is operating against her at the moment? Thirdly, and lastly for the moment, if you are seeing her in the hospital, be very careful how you behave - the same could happen to you. Remain calm whenever you deal with the staff. I'll probably be back with more thoughts later. Yours, Jeremy. -- Jeremy Wickins, PhD Researcher, Biometrics and Social Exclusion, Sheffield Institute of Biotechnological Law and Ethics (SIBLE), Department of Law, University of Sheffield, 169/171, Northumberland Road, Crookesmoor, Sheffield. S10 1DF UK. Tel: +44 (0)114 222 6881 Fax: +44 (0)114 222 6886 Quoting Rosemary Moore <[log in to unmask]>: > Thanks for the explanation Colin and answers to my points. > > And I agree about the way that family members can be used/use the mh system > for their own ends. I should mention from my own experience that it can > happen that the authorities intimidate/confuse family members over > sectioning and that is sometimes the reason that the role of the family can > be abused. > > What about the MP? As Yvonne is happy with being open, then there seems no > reason not to go public and certainly involve any public servants available. > > Good luck again. > > Rosemary > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Colin Revell" <[log in to unmask]> > To: <[log in to unmask]>; <[log in to unmask]>; > <[log in to unmask]>; <[log in to unmask]>; > <[log in to unmask]>; <[log in to unmask]>; > <[log in to unmask]>; > <[log in to unmask]>; <[log in to unmask]>; > <[log in to unmask]>; <[log in to unmask]>; > <[log in to unmask]>; <[log in to unmask]>; > <[log in to unmask]>; <[log in to unmask]>; > <[log in to unmask]>; <[log in to unmask]>; > <[log in to unmask]>; <[log in to unmask]>; > <[log in to unmask]>; <[log in to unmask]>; > <[log in to unmask]>; <[log in to unmask]>; > <[log in to unmask]>; <[log in to unmask]>; > <[log in to unmask]>; <[log in to unmask]>; > <[log in to unmask]>; <[log in to unmask]>; <[log in to unmask]>; > <[log in to unmask]>; <[log in to unmask]>; > <[log in to unmask]> > Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 3:00 PM > Subject: Re: I need all your support for a friend urgently... > > > > In response to Rosemary Moore... > > > > Rosemary stated... "I do think you are admirable in trying to help you > > friend but you must always bear in mind that making a lot of noise about > > what SHOULD be happening may not be in the interests of your friend > > because it will anger the authorities." > > > > My reply... "Yvonne has asked me to do this. She is an ex-professional, A > > Social Worker who worked within child protection. She is all for > > 'whistle-blowing' against the system, like myself, and some of my peers > > within the movement and none of us should feel that frightened that we > > should be put into the position where 'we' don't 'speak-out' against all > > forms of abuse and all our basic human and civil rights are oppressed". > > "We don't live in China, or Zimbawee do we?" > > > > Rosemary stated..." If I may give you some advice. First you must get > > your friend to > > put in writing that she agrees to your speaking in her behalf". > > > > My reply... Yvonne has given this permsision to all the staff at the > > Humbers Menatl Health NHS Trust, but they are tating that she's lacks the > > capacity to make these decisions and when she has expressed and given my > > permission, both verbally and written they refuse this. > > > > Second, I would involve as many people as possible who are in her circle, > > most importantly any relatives and make sure that you involve those who > > may disagree with what you are doing. If your > > friend has been sectioned then someone should have been approached as > > "nearest relative". Do you know who your friend's "nearest relative" is? > > This is very important. > > > > My rely...."It's Yvonne's daughter who got her sectioned, beacsue as a 43 > > year old women she got > > her tongue perieced and refused to bay sit for her daugher anymore.". > > "They are refusing Yvonne access to her mother". They will not even let > > her go an see a two dogs in the kennels. > > > > I have alwys great concerns that how easy it it with the MHA how a family > > member can get another family member sectioned and it's this family member > > > who is 'abusing' another family member. I experienced many cases like this > > > when I worked at Citizens Advice Bureau, especially within our older > > generation, where family members whould want their pareants, usually > > mothers i'nstitutionalised', so then the could have their house, or any > > other property or finances. This abuse is happening all over the UK and > > global world. > > > > Some changes need to happen within the MHA and within the 'system' to > > protect individuals from abuse by the own family members, especailly has > > it's so easy for a daughter or son to have their parents sectioned, when > > it's them that may be the perpretrators of the 'abuse'. > > > > Yours > > > > Colin Revell > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! > > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ > > > > > > > ________________End of message______________________ Archives and tools for the Disability-Research Discussion List are now located at: www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/disability-research.html You can JOIN or LEAVE the list from this web page.