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On 13 Oct 2005 at 18:25, Michael Peckitt wrote: > Mr Quarter, you don't know me and you have no right to judge.>>>> I wasn't judging *you* per se as opposed to your statement in defense of "inclusive" academia, which is a bit different thing. Academia CAN > be inclusive, not always but it can be - >>>>> In other words, aspects of academia can be inclusive as can big business for racial minorities or sports competition for disabled people, etc. Does that negate my argument about the general picture of academia? The point wasn't meant as a absolute -- most statements aren't; It;s a a general statement of truth. If I'm wrong -- How am I wrong? I am disabled and I am considered > 'in' academia, through I would not call myself an academic. It is not for > the pampered or the spoiled (do you want to see my salary), any more the the > Health Service or any other job is, you have to work to survive.>>>>> Relative to the rest of the population, It's a sanctuary for the middle class and wealthy. Very few people of lower socio- economic status make it to university, fewer graduate, and even fewer go on to obtain a master's and an infinitesimal amount, PhDs. And as far as people outside the academic environment having access to its resources (e.g., dept facilities, libraries, journal articles)...If this happens at all, it's mainly as research subjects. I repeat > simply because you were attacking an instution does not make your statement > any more acceptable. >>>> Certainly. But I wasn't seeking your approval on this - I am a making a statement about academia which I feel accurately relects that environment. If you have a counter argument, present it. So far I've seen mostly your value judgement How about constructive dialogue?<<<< How about you look in the mirror? I m willing to listen > are you willing to participate. Or is that taking too much energy than > making snide attacks? Is this your constructive dialogue? > > As always, > > Michael DOQ > > > >From: [log in to unmask] > >To: Michael Peckitt <[log in to unmask]>, > >[log in to unmask] > >CC: [log in to unmask] > >Subject: Re: Journal of Medical Humanities - Disability issue > >Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 12:51:27 -0400 > > > > > > > > Michael, > > > >I know what you were alluding to. I just needed you to say it as it was > >almost too > >ridiculous to repeat. > > > > If you honestly think that academia is inclusivive, > >either you've lived in the environment too long; or you;ve never been > >outside an > >academic environment to know what inclusiveness should entail. Academia is > >a > >sanctuary for the spoiled, the pampered, and the "bright and intelligent" - > >or at least, > >those so defined. To suggest otherwise is to be completely clouded by your > >profession(?). > > > >DOQ > > > > > > > > > >On 13 Oct 2005 at 14:05, Michael Peckitt wrote: > > > > > My point was that I find questionable that your remark being directed > > > towards academia made everything ok, as if being directed twards an > > > institution was more acceptable than a remarked being directed against > >one > > > person. Neither is necessairly acceptable. > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And it being directed at academia makes perfectly acceptable? > > > > > > > > > > Michael Gillan Peckitt BA MA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: David Quarter <[log in to unmask]> > > > > > >Reply-To: [log in to unmask] > > > > > >To: [log in to unmask] > > > > > >Subject: Re: Journal of Medical Humanities - Disability issue > > > > > >Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 16:09:05 -0400 > > > > > > > > > > > > My remark wasn't directed to any one person as opposed to > >academia > > > > > > > > > > ________________End of message______________________ > > > > > > > > > > Archives and tools for the Disability-Research Discussion List > > > > > are now located at: > > > > > > > > > > www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/disability-research.html > > > > > > > > > > You can JOIN or LEAVE the list from this web page. > > > > > > > >________________End of message______________________ > > > > > > > >Archives and tools for the Disability-Research Discussion List > > > >are now located at: > > > > > > > >www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/disability-research.html > > > > > > > >You can JOIN or LEAVE the list from this web page. > > > > > > ________________End of message______________________ > > > > > > Archives and tools for the Disability-Research Discussion List > > > are now located at: > > > > > > www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/disability-research.html > > > > > > You can JOIN or LEAVE the list from this web page. > > > > > > > > ________________End of message______________________ > > Archives and tools for the Disability-Research Discussion List > are now located at: > > www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/disability-research.html > > You can JOIN or LEAVE the list from this web page. ________________End of message______________________ Archives and tools for the Disability-Research Discussion List are now located at: www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/disability-research.html You can JOIN or LEAVE the list from this web page.