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Do you mean Roman is jargon or Roman is used by teachers? If the latter then you're right, it is used in schools. Romano-British is not readily understood by the public. For the period 410 to 1066 various terms are used in schools, like Saxon, Anglo-Saxon, Dark Ages, Viking and Invaders. That's another difficult period to label. Kim Biddulph Unlocking Buckinghamshire's Past Project Officer County Archaeology Service Buckinghamshire County Council 01296 382072 http://www.buckscc.gov.uk/countryside/index.htm http://www.buckscc.gov.uk/archaeology/index.htm -----Original Message----- From: David Evans [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: 23 August 2005 15:25 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Use of Periods Then so is Roman! Thank You David Evans Historic Environment Record Officer Planning & Environment South Gloucestershire Council Kingswood BS15 9TR 01454 863649 _____ From: Issues related to Sites & Monuments Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Biddulph, Kim Sent: 23 August 2005 14:44 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Use of Periods Though as Julia says, we use centuries in Bucks, the use of dynasties and even regnal terms are useful if the HER is going down an educational route. Schools use medieval, Tudor, Stuart, Georgian and Victorian but never post-medieval, which is purely archaeological jargon. Kim Biddulph Unlocking Buckinghamshire's Past Project Officer County Archaeology Service Buckinghamshire County Council 01296 382072 http://www.buckscc.gov.uk/countryside/index.htm http://www.buckscc.gov.uk/archaeology/index.htm -----Original Message----- From: CARLISLE, Phil [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: 23 August 2005 14:31 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Use of Periods No they're not intended as architectural periods or styles merely general regnal periods. So you can have a building which is stylistically Georgian but built during the Victorian period. We could go down the century route but this really does mean starting the whole Timelines debate again - something I'm not particularly keen to do at present. We are still going to keep Post Medieval and don't intend to do away with this for the time being. Examples when it is useful to index a monument as Post Medieval is when the only evidence you have for it is that it existed in 1840. You can't categorically say that it's Georgian/Victorian/Tudor etc. but you can say it's after 1540 (which is our cut off date for Medieval) Post Med is also useful, as one colleague has pointed out, for Wreck sites. As for when the Second World War began, I would suggest we go with the recognized start dates as opposed to when we thought we might be going to have a war. Phil Carlisle Data Standards Supervisor National Monuments Record Centre Kemble Drive Swindon SN2 2GZ +44 (0)1793 414824 The information contained within this e-mail is confidential and may be privileged. It is intended for the addressee only. If you have received the e-mail in error, please inform the sender and delete it from your system. The contents of this e-mail must not be disclosed to anyone else or copied without the sender's consent. Any views and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of English Heritage. English Heritage will not take any responsibility for the views of the author. -----Original Message----- From: Issues related to Sites & Monuments Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of David Evans Sent: 23 August 2005 14:08 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Use of Periods I presume there are intended as architectural periods? if so Palladian, Queen Ann, Regency and Edwardian are needed. If not nineteenth Century would be better than Victorian. The Clifton suspension Bridge as Georgian- I like it Thank You David Evans Historic Environment Record Officer Planning & Environment South Gloucestershire Council Kingswood BS15 9TR 01454 863649 _____ From: Issues related to Sites & Monuments Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of NEWMAN, Martin Sent: 23 August 2005 13:20 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Use of Periods The DSU has recently made some changes to the PERIODS hierarchy used by the NMRs AMIE system (see below). We are now consulting with system users here before making changes to records. We would also like to consult other users of the PERIODS hierarchy especially HERs using our reference data (e.g. those using HBSMR). If your PERIOD list is brought into line with that at the NMR then the issues we are consulting NMR users over will be of equal relevance. Regards Martin ---------------------------------------------- Martin Newman Datasets Development Manager AMIE Period Change Recent changes to AMIE have seen the replacement of the MODERN period with the two periods 20TH CENTURY and 21ST CENTURY. Additional regal periods of TUDOR, ELIZABETHAN, STUART, JACOBEAN, HANOVERIAN, GEORGIAN and VICTORIAN have also been added (or in the case of VICTORIAN been in existence for some time but not used). DSU would welcome comments on how periods should be used/are being used to record POST MEDIEVAL dates. For instance there are c.173000 records in AMIE which are currently identified as being POST MEDIEVAL in date. Of those over 36,000 have min/max dates falling within the VICTORIAN period. Where a monument is known to have been built after 1837 but before 1901 does it make sense to record this as VICTORIAN? A similar number of records exist for the GEORGIAN period between 1714 and 1830. Two questions need answering: 1. Are users happy with using 20th and 21st Century instead of MODERN? 2. Should POST MEDIEVAL records be updated to VICTORIAN/GEORGIAN etc. where the phase is a construction/alteration/repair phase? _____ English Heritage is subject to the Freedom of Information Act. 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