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Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 5:13 AM
Subject: Re: [WDL] The problem of making
'art'
I certainly don't mean a *lack of subjectivity
But there has to be more
Funny things happen to subjectivity in art
One of my dead friends used to hate a certain kind of poetry
which he typified as got up, went to the toilet, had breakfast
and it wasnt the bathetic that he was against
it was more that there was being offered a common experience
with nothing else but without any quality of objet trouve
one suspects in some cases someone copying what
they have seen but not understood
it is to do with an awareness that most experience we have
has been had at least similarly by someone else...
and now the ring at the door which means I must
stop
i shall endeavour to say more
tonight
sorry I cannot respond immediately
L
Lawrence, I
appreciate your post and agree but will pick out just one
comment:
> One final thing - I have noticed, I think -
because it is often implicit - a tendency in this discussion to think of
artistic expression as self-expression; and often it isn't, except
tangentally. Self-expression is not necessarily art as I am speaking of it,
in my non-definition
--- I think I agree – certainly
self-expression does not = art, by any stretch of the imagination, but I
would really appreciate it if you can unpack more the features of the
‘un-self-expression’? I presume you do not mean a lack of
subjectivity, since subjectivity is often a very potent starting-point. Can
you say more?
sue
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