But, Sarah, I, think, I am fulfilling it and sharing my insights. And I
hope you do your learning which is your thing.
I am sharing it because I wish to promptly translate my heuristics into a
manuscript, intended for public contribution as an extension of knowledge
and possibilities in order to self-develop myself in my intending to become,
transform myself into whom I want myself to become and be - a heuristics'
constructor and not just a critical analyst (Serper, 1997, 1999). I am also
currently saturated and exhausted from this Ontological self-study and the
project and wish to regain my passion back. But this intentionality, why
I do so, is my issue and concern. For you, I am giving you the different
perspectives that you are interested, your intentionality.
The intentionality is personal and irrelevant. The relevance is that we
develop ourselves. I develop in my current issue of translating my heuristics
and you, in getting different perspective.
Alon
>-- Original Message --
>Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 16:22:07 +0100
>Reply-To: Sarah Fletcher <[log in to unmask]>
>From: Sarah Fletcher <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: relevant laing on scientific evaluation
>To: [log in to unmask]
>
>
>Dear Alon
>
>Much appreciating the emails from you -
>
>I am not asking you to train me - I am inviting you to share your insights
>so I
>might (take responsibility to) learn from what you write - and I agree about
>the weather! I need to been able to make explicit for myself how I am learning
>so I might improve it - by understanding how others learn (and I think that
>is
>a privilege to be allowed such insghts) I might improve how and what I learn.
>
>The drive I feel to understand processes of learning relates to drive to
>teach
>My values may not at all be superior to others but by teaching I offer choice
>That's what I value when I read your emails - you present other perspectives.
>I may decide I do not want to change by an act of my will - but I can choose.
>
>Kind regards
>Sarah
>--
>Sarah Fletcher
>http://www.TeacherResearch.net
>
>
>
>Quoting [log in to unmask]:
>
>> But we are doing this. Aren't we?- Why discussing what we are doing.
> I
>> take it that this is what we are doing on this rainy, British, Saturday.
>> This is like the passing the salt metaphore. Why explicitely defining
>what
>> we are doing? Why not just do it? I do not understand.
>>
>>
>> >-- Original Message --
>> >Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 15:13:51 +0100
>> >Reply-To: Sarah Fletcher <[log in to unmask]>
>> >From: Sarah Fletcher <[log in to unmask]>
>> >Subject: Re: relevant laing on scientific evaluation
>> >To: [log in to unmask]
>> >
>> >
>> >I cannot tel you what to do with it how it should influence
>> >you and your life and ontology.
>> >
>> >Thanks Alon
>> >
>> >I'm not asking you to do this. I'm asking you questions in the hope and
>> the
>> >intention of satisfying my drive (Maslow) to learn and in a way that
I
>might
>> >learn from your learning. I'm not asking you to train me to use your
>> learning.
>> >
>> >Kind regards
>> >Sarah
>> >
>> >--
>> >Sarah Fletcher
>> >SL Mentoring and Induction, BSUC
>> >http://www.TeacherResearch.net
>> >Tel. 01225 875875
>> >
>> >
>> >Quoting Alon Serper <[log in to unmask]>:
>> >
>> >> And yes, I am doing this communication and work as and in the role
of
>> a
>> >> heuristics'
>> >> creator/constructor, illustrating and evaluating.
>> >>
>> >> As a clinician and therapist, I would interfere and make sure changes
>> are
>> >> being implemented. It would be in the contract. But as the advocator
>> >of
>> >> the heuristics, I cannot tel you what to do with it how it should
>> influence
>> >> you and your life and ontology. This would be a complete antithesis
>to
>> >the
>> >> heuristics and the whole point of and for it. The heuristics is grounded
>> >> on/in a unique individual being and the way he/she, me for that matter,
>> >> self-contruct
>> >> and self-develop his/her/my ontology.
>> >>
>> >> Alon
>> >> >-- Original Message --
>> >> >Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 14:24:29 +0100
>> >> >Reply-To: [log in to unmask]
>> >> >From: Alon Serper <[log in to unmask]>
>> >> >Subject: Re: relevant laing on scientific evaluation
>> >> >To: [log in to unmask]
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >Hi Sarah
>> >> >
>> >> >What do I mean I am not interested, I am sharing the way I improve
>my
>> >life
>> >> >with you and with others publicly. I am putting my personal ethics
>> and
>> >> >self-developing account of how I lead a better existence in the world
>> >in
>> >> >the public domain for others to engage with.
>> >> >
>> >> >This a significant question - the most significant one I think - how
>> to
>> >> lead
>> >> >a gratifying existence of good quality - and we need all the help
we
>> can
>> >> >get. There is nothing to be too pround about. So we are sharing
it.
>> >> >
>> >> > It is up to you to decide what to derive from it, to be influenced
>or
>> >to
>> >> >think it is a total waste of time and complete nonesense for you.
> I
>> >think
>> >> >this is what education all about, exposing information but not further
>> >than
>> >> >this. It is up to the exposed not the exposing to evaluate it and
>absorb
>> >> >or dismiss it.
>> >> >
>> >> >For me, when the exposing agent goes further then putting his/her
values
>> >> >and account to the other publicly and start telling the exposed what
>> to
>> >> do
>> >> >with it, then it becomes preaching, negative pedagogy, scholastics
>and
>> >being
>> >> >pretentious. I am also influenced by Ionesco's La leçon.
>> >> >
>> >> >Here is my account - do whatever you want with it. I am going no
further
>> >> >than this.
>> >> >
>> >> >Alon
>> >> >>-- Original Message --
>> >> >>Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 13:51:24 +0100
>> >> >>Reply-To: Sarah Fletcher <[log in to unmask]>
>> >> >>From: Sarah Fletcher <[log in to unmask]>
>> >> >>Subject: Re: relevant laing on scientific evaluation
>> >> >>To: [log in to unmask]
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>re. Alon's posting 30/07/05 All I need to do is convey my intended
>> >> improvement,
>> >> >>the way I intend to improve my ontology, to carry it out and discuss
>> >how
>> >> >>it is
>> >> >>done, as a heuristics.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Hi Alon - thanks for responding - as a practitioner researcher on
>this
>> >> BERA
>> >> >>list
>> >> >>I am hoping to understand how I might learn from your research to
>assist
>> >> >>me as a
>> >> >>teacher, mentor and researcher. I respect your work and your thinking.
>> >> >>As I read your posting these questions come to mind. I hope you
will
>> >> respond.
>> >> >>We seem to have very different ontological values; not a matter of
>> >> right/wrong
>> >> >>So you are not focused on anything other than communicating what
you
>> >> discover?
>> >> >>You are not interested in how this might assist other to improve
their
>> >> lives?
>> >> >>You don't have a moral imperative beyond that which immediately affects
>> >> >you?
>> >> >>Is there an evidential basis upon which you make claims in evolutionary
>> >> >theory
>> >> >>and how are you triangulating/validating outcomes of your ontological
>> >> study?
>> >> >>
>> >> >>I am trying to understand how your depiction of your ontology
>> >> aligns/doesn't
>> >> >>align with Harre's notion of the 3 selves which I find a very useful
>> >> metaphor.
>> >> >>One of the selves is constituted by how I am distinct from others,
>> another
>> >> >>by
>> >> >>my own perspective of the world and a third by how I am perceived
>by
>> >> others.
>> >> >>I would add a further perspective of role - my self changes according
>> >to
>> >> >>role.
>> >> >>As a schoolteacher I am charged with being in loco parentis, as a
>> >> researcher
>> >> >>I
>> >> >>seek to adhere to BERA's and Frankena's ethical guidelines and as
>a
>> mentor
>> >> >>I
>> >> >>align to Simon Riding's account of 'living myself through others.
>I
>> am
>> >> looking
>> >> >>to learn from you - as I perceive your research is intended to be
>> >> educational?
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Kind regards,
>> >> >>Sarah
>> >> >>
>> >> >>http://www.TeacherResearch.net
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Quoting [log in to unmask]:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Hi Sarah
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Luckily, my heuristics is based on my self-improvement and
>> >> self-development
>> >> >>> - evaluating and assessing my well-being, self-gratification,
>> >> self-respect
>> >> >>> and ontological security through looking at my self-disappointment,
>> >> personal
>> >> >>> non-gratification and malaise. As contributing fulfills me. As
>the
>> >> ethics
>> >> >>> fulfills. As the exclusively aesthetic does not fulfil me as an
>> >> ontological
>> >> >>> essence. It can work as a valid contribution. I create this
>> heuristics
>> >> >>> as a means to conceive and study human existence as an ontologist
>> and
>> >> >>> constructing
>> >> >>> crtical psychologist.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Luckily after a previous thesis in theoretical/Philosophical
>> psychology
>> >> >>and
>> >> >>> Philosophy - I no longer need to looke at this type of philosophy
>> >as
>> >> >my
>> >> >>> scope. All I need to do is convey my intended improvement, the
>way
>> >I
>> >> >intend
>> >> >>> to improve my ontology, to carry it out and discuss how it is done,
>> >as
>> >> >>a
>> >> >>> heuristics.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Alon
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> >-- Original Message --
>> >> >>> >Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 09:33:06 +0100
>> >> >>> >Reply-To: Sarah Fletcher <[log in to unmask]>
>> >> >>> >From: Sarah Fletcher <[log in to unmask]>
>> >> >>> >Subject: Re: relevant laing on scientific evaluation
>> >> >>> >To: [log in to unmask]
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >Is the outside constituted by the inside of the outside - in addition
>> >> >>to
>> >> >>> >the
>> >> >>> >interaction with the outside of others' insides? I am reflecting
>> also
>> >> >>on
>> >> >>> >the
>> >> >>> >notion of 'role', Alon, as I engage with interest in your writing
>> >on
>> >> >the
>> >> >>> >list
>> >> >>> >So if one adopts the role say of a researcher and also of a teacher
>> >> where
>> >> >>> >the
>> >> >>> >ontological values may be quite different - is this one outside
>of
>> >one
>> >> >>> inside
>> >> >>> >or a multiplicitous outside and inside, which is elected (ie as
>> roles)
>> >> >>or
>> >> >>> >not?
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >My doctoral thesis focuses on the tri-multiplicity of myself as
>a
>> >> >>> professional
>> >> >>> >educator - as teacher, mentor and researcher and how my
>> ownontological
>> >> >>> values
>> >> >>> >conflate but sometimes, apparently at least, contradict one another.
>> >> >It
>> >> >>> is
>> >> >>> >a
>> >> >>> >self-study action research account of how I have come to be a
>> research
>> >> >>> mentor.
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >Now if my outside as a multiplicitous educator is constituted
by
>> my
>> >> inside
>> >> >>> >as
>> >> >>> >someone seeking to Nurture Courage to Be (after Tillich) and
>> >> actualisation
>> >> >>> >(after Maslow)is my outside not also constituted by my interaction
>> >with
>> >> >>> the
>> >> >>> >outsides of the pupils, teacher researchers and others with whom
>> I
>> >do
>> >> >>> research
>> >> >>> >('with' is a more accurate description than saying others I do
>> research
>> >> >>> 'on')
>> >> >>> >and thence by interaction with their insides which are manifested
>> >as
>> >> >>> outsides?
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >All this before breakfast on a Saturday morning!
>> >> >>> >Have a good weekend everyone,
>> >> >>> >Sarah
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >Quoting Alon Serper <[log in to unmask]>:
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >> The conclusions from my Ontological study is that the outside
>is
>> >in
>> >> >>the
>> >> >>> >> inside because the inside is all I have with no exist (huis
clos).
>> >> >
>> >> >>The
>> >> >>> >> outside is because of the inside who is responsible for the
>> outside.
>> >> >>> It
>> >> >>> >> is still me who is trying to go outside me to go inside. The
>inside
>> >> >>is
>> >> >>> >> perhaps not enough but is all I have.
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> The ouside reflects on my inside as the inside reflects on itself.
>> >> >
>> >> >>But
>> >> >>> >> the outside cannor reflect on itself. The inside cannot escape
>> >> itself.
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> Alon
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 20:09:55 +0100, Sarah Fletcher
>> >> >>> >> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> >Hi Alon -
>> >> >>> >> >
>> >> >>> >> >I'm sure you know this. In case others aren't familar with
it,
>> >I
>> >> thought
>> >> >>> >> I'd
>> >> >>> >> >send. I'd love to see Alon Rayner's depiction of this
>> inside-outside
>> >> >>> in
>> >> >>> >> oils.
>> >> >>> >> >
>> >> >>> >> >One is inside
>> >> >>> >> >then outside what one has been inside
>> >> >>> >> >One feels empty
>> >> >>> >> >because there is nothing inside oneself
>> >> >>> >> >One tries to get inside oneself
>> >> >>> >> >that inside of the outside
>> >> >>> >> >once one tries to get oneself inside what
>> >> >>> >> >one is outside:
>> >> >>> >> >to eat and to be eaten
>> >> >>> >> >to have the outside inside and to be
>> >> >>> >> >inside the outside
>> >> >>> >> >
>> >> >>> >> >But this is not enough. One is trying to get
>> >> >>> >> >the inside of what one is outside inside, and to
>> >> >>> >> >get iside the outside. But one does not get
>> >> >>> >> >inside the outside by getting the outside inside
>> >> >>> >> >for;
>> >> >>> >> >although one is full inside of the inside of the outside
>> >> >>> >> >one is on the outside of one's own inside
>> >> >>> >> >and by getting inside the outside
>> >> >>> >> >while one is on the inside
>> >> >>> >> >even the inside of the outside is outside
>> >> >>> >> >and inside oneself there is still nothing
>> >> >>> >> >There never has been anything else
>> >> >>> >> >and there never will be
>> >> >>> >> >
>> >> >>> >> >Laing, R.D. (1972) 'Knots' Harmondsworth, Penguin Books, p.
>83
>> >> >>> >> >
>> >> >>> >> >Thought for the week? Don't work too hard,
>> >> >>> >> >Warm regards,
>> >> >>> >> >Sarah
>> >> >>> >> >
>> >> >>> >> >http://www.TeacherResearch.net
>> >> >>> >> >
>> >> >>> >> >
>> >> >>> >> >
>> >> >>> >> >Quoting Alon Serper <[log in to unmask]>:
>> >> >>> >> >
>> >> >>> >> >> And another quote from Laing - The Bird of Paradise
>> >> >>> >> >>
>> >> >>> >> >> if this I that is the wherewith and whereby is not anything
>> that
>> >> >>I
>> >> >>> know,
>> >> >>> >> >> then it is no thing - nothing.
>> >> >>> >> >>
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
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