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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture I have been unable to find this in Ambrose and strongly suspect it is a paraphrase or summary whose original words I haven't been able to run down with PL database queries. This occurs in Bartholomaeus Anglicus' _De proprietatibus rerum_ book VI ch. xviii: Ideo secundum Ambrosium, natura in animalibus nobiliores et viribus fortiores preposuit aliorum reges et ductores, ut patet in animalibus et in volatilibus et etiam in apibus, in quibus omnibus illi aliis dominantur et preficiuntur, in quibus nobiliores conditiones secundum nature beneficium inveniuntur, ut sic addiscat homo nobiliter preesse secundum rationem et gratiam. The early portion 'natura...apibus' shows up as a possible paraphrase in Hier. Strido epist. CCXV, 15 PL 22.1080, but I think there should be something real in Ambrose. Does this ring a bell for anyone? Advice is highly welcome, and tomorrow I should be able to try again with the PL database on-line. My thanks in advance, as always. -- Juris G. Lidaka Dept. of English West Virginia State University Institute, WV 25112-1000 USA ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html