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Danny McGeehan wrote: > Ray I'm sorry to mention this but the list looked at this nearly a > year ago. We reviewed it here in Staffs but the first group of > punters found it very uncomfortable. One was trapped behind the > toilet door with his pants down and took a lot of freeing. ROFL :) On our Wilderness course we teach shouder reduction because it really changes the rescue situation. I mused on suggesting we do the external rotation thing, just to see the faces of my fellow faculty members :) It would not work in this environment. Jel Coward