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Although I totally agree with your comment about open source software not being "Free", I can also see why people are comfortable using the word. If you have the right resources (people/hardware) in place already, there could potentially be no cash outlay to get a Moodle or LAMS system set up. I found Moodle easy enough to install and it is has been working with no intervention from me for months. I installed MySQL, Apache and PHP on a windows machine with a single application (EasyPHP). I've also found the support from Moodle forums excellent. You often get an answer to your query within an hour or so of posting. As for getting guaranteed maintenance, there are a number of Moodle partners ( http://moodle.com/partners/list/ )that can provide you with maintenance contracts and training (for a fee of course). Richard. -----Original Message----- From: Harrison Tim (Staff) [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: 08 June 2005 12:14 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [VLES] MOODLE with LAMS Could we please stop referring to moodle as a 'free' system. It is not and never will be. As has been mentioned dozens of times before, the cost of implementing a vle is not just the software, it includes the training and all the other bits that go into it. The same is true of LAMS. I found moodle very difficult to install not because of moodle itself but because of the other software it required, php and mysql. Getting the right versions to talk with the software can be very fiddly, particularly if you want to use Windows. I was very much left with the impression that upgrades etc would be totally dependant on other factors that I am simply not prepared to use it. I am also very concerned that, for a mission critical system, not having any redress against the writers or guaranteed maintenance is not acceptable. Tim Harrison Colchester SFC ***************** List information: ***************** Remember - replies go by default to the entire list. Access the list via the web on http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/vle.html To unsubscribe, email [log in to unmask] with the message: leave vle