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It isn't up to Government agency staff, such as those employed by JISC to decide whether lists stay open. It was requested in the "General Election Guidance 2005 " issued on April 5th by the Cabinet Office. Section H.10.e includes the following: "Interactive functions such as discussion groups which allow the public posting of comment or debate should be suspended." We operate several Government websites where apparently innocent discussion forums had to be suspended for the duration of the election. The guidance isn't only there to stop staff posting comment and opinion, but to stop everyone doing so. This is to remove any possible accusation that publicly funded systems are used to propagate campaign information and political opinion during the election. James England At 15:49 06/05/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Colleagues > >I set up the new list as a means of keeping a discussion channel open in >the light of a decision that, in spite of Richard's Explanation, I still >don't understand. JISCMAIL is an academic discussion forum and for me >certain privileges and responsibilities go along with that. Anyone can >either post or not post. Government agency staff could simply have said >we will not be posting for the duration of the election. To shut down >the entire channel is indefensible in my view. List "owners" should only >manage the list on behalf of members. Members are not there to serve the >purposes of the list owner. The new list has over 180 members which I >believe is a substantial increase on the older list. I'm not sure what >that says, but I have offered to merge the Becta list and keep the new >one, thus ensuring that agency staff are not placed in the difficult >position in which they found themselves a month ago. > >Now its back to problems with VLEs ... And why our SCORM tracking code >doesn't seem to be getting back to our server ... > >Regards > >Nigel Peet > >-----Original Message----- >From: Virtual Learning Environments [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On >Behalf Of Richard Everett >Sent: 06 May 2005 13:59 >To: [log in to unmask] >Subject: Re: [VLES] Welcome Back > >As the original person that set up the VLE list I would argue that in >fact for a really good list to operate it does need someone to >administer it (in fact more than that you need someone to 'plant' topics >and generally 'referee' the thing otherwise it does not work). > >As the [log in to unmask] address is advertised widely in various >documents on the subject I think it would be a pity to lose the services >of BECTA who other than on this issue (which really is beyond their >control) have administered the list very adequately indeed. > >Regards > >Richard > >================================================== >Richard Everett >Head of ICLT (Information Communications and Learning Technology) >Oaklands College St Albans Smallford Campus Hatfield Road St Albans >Hertfordshire >AL4 0JA >Tel 01727 737 794 >Fax 01727 847 987 >================================================== > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Adam Marshall >[mailto:[log in to unmask]] >Sent: 06 May 2005 13:48 >To: [log in to unmask] >Subject: Re: [VLES] Welcome Back > > >Why don't we all just use the vle-interest list instead and save becta >the hassle of administering this list? I don't think that anybody really >cares who 'owns' the list in fact I don't think many of us realised you >could 'own' a jiscmail list. > >adam > >| -----Original Message----- >| From: Virtual Learning Environments [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On >| Behalf Of Ian Winship >| Sent: 06 May 2005 13:36 >| To: [log in to unmask] >| Subject: Re: [VLES] Welcome Back >| >| Amber wrote: >| >| > upon the parliamentary recess that all public discussion or >| > announcements relating to government policy should be ended until >| > the election. >| >| Heaven forbid that anyone should dare to question government policies! >| >| > We did not want to have to close >| > the lists, but on seeking advice it seemed our only choice was to >| > close it or to moderate every single message. >| >| I still don't get the logic here. No other JISCmail list owners felt >| the need to prevent discussion of government policy, so why should >| this be different just because it has co-owners from a government >| agency. The Becta folk didn't have to say anything. >| (I wonder if all government employees were forbidden from contributing > >| to discussion lists during the election period) >| >| I trust there will be rationalisation with the VLE-interest list that >| was created to fill the gap. >| >| -------------------------------------------- >| Ian Winship, Electronic Services Manager Library & Learning Services >| Northumbria University Newcastle upon Tyne NE1 8ST, UK >| email: [log in to unmask] >| tel: 0191 227 4150 fax: 0191 227 4563 >| >| >| >| >| >| ==== >| This e-mail is intended solely for the addressee. It may contain >| private and confidential information. If you are not the intended >| addressee, please take no action based on it nor show a copy to >| anyone. 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