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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture Au Xe siècle, plusieurs prélats et moines bretons trouvèrent "refuge" à Saint-Benoit sur Loire (Mabbon, év. de Saint-Pol de Léon, qui assiste aussi à la restauration de Saint-Père en 954; Esdren, ev. de Nantes, en 963, fuyant les Normands ...). Quelques manuscrits bretons passèrent dans la bibliothèque de cette abbaye (Berne BB 277, 219; Orléans BM 277, 160, 179, etc ..) L'influence bretonne à Fleury doit être reconsidérée ... jl deuffic ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Crockett" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 8:09 PM Subject: Re: [M-R] "usage de Chartres" medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture From: Pecia <[log in to unmask]> > Il s'agit bien de l'usage liturgique de Chartres ... > La Bretagne employait pour ses livres liturgiques une notation neumatique particulière qui était également appliquée partiellement à l'abbaye de Saint-Père de Chartres (voir par ex. le graduel CHARTRES BM 47, Xème s., publié dans "Paléographie Musicale", vol. XI, Solesmes) yes, i have used that publication (by Canon Yves Delaporte of Chartres), because i am interested in the style of the various illuminations and decorations of all surviving early Chartrain manuscripts. here are a few of these from the BM 47 ms : http://www.christophersbookroom.com/cc/mss/chartresmss/chartres47-f3r.jpg http://www.christophersbookroom.com/cc/mss/chartresmss/chartres47-pl59.jpg http://www.christophersbookroom.com/cc/mss/chartresmss/chartres47-pl91.jpg i know nothing whatever about musical notation, but Canon Delaporte was an excellent scholar, thoroughly knowledgable in all areas of the liturgy, among many other subjects. St. Peter's of Chartres was "reformed" in the 960s (i *think it was) by Fleury (the secular canons who had taken over the former abbey were replaced by regular monks), and there were other connections between the two houses during the course of the rest of the 10th century and well into the 11th. i *suspect* that such things as musical notation at Chartres would have, at least originally, followed that at Fleury. in any event, the interlace initials of that ms 47 are reminescent of those which we can find in 10th century mss from Fleury which are themselves, essentially, descendants of the late Carolingian "Franco-Saxon School" http://www.christophersbookroom.com/cc/mss/fleurymss/orleans-ad-miracles.jpg http://www.christophersbookroom.com/cc/mss/fleurymss/schoenberg/ljs101-3r.jpg http://www.christophersbookroom.com/cc/mss/fleurymss/orleans-bm/orleans175p1.jpg http://www.christophersbookroom.com/cc/mss/fleurymss/orleans-bm/orleans175p16.jpg http://www.christophersbookroom.com/cc/mss/fleurymss/orleans-bm/orleans175p69.jpg however, at the very end of the 10th century Abbot Abbo of Fleury (died 1004?) http://www.christophersbookroom.com/cc/mss/fleurymss/orleans-bm/orleans277-p62-abbo.jpg --who had spent considerable time in England-- seems to have been instrumental in introducing a much more sophisticated style of manuscript illumination from the Anglo-Saxon scriptoria into Fleury. http://www.christophersbookroom.com/cc/mss/fleurymss/orleans-bm/orleans175p149.jpg http://www.christophersbookroom.com/cc/mss/fleurymss/orleans-bm/orleans175p149-d2.jpg http://www.christophersbookroom.com/cc/mss/fleurymss/orleans-bm/orleans175p149-d.jpg http://www.christophersbookroom.com/cc/mss/fleurymss/orleans-bm/orleans175p149-d3.jpg http://www.christophersbookroom.com/cc/mss/fleurymss/orleans-bm/orleans175p175.jpg http://www.christophersbookroom.com/cc/mss/fleurymss/orleans-bm/orleans342pa-d.jpg it is my belief --Fides Quaerens Intellectum-- that a variant of this "Anglo-Saxon" figure style found its way to St. Peter's of Chartres via Fleury in the course of the 11th century, took root and developed there, surviving only in "echoes" in the "romanesque" sculpture of the 12th c. in the region. however, the loss of virtually all of the manuscripts and *absolutely* all of the mural painting and sculpture in a multiplicity of media makes such speculation difficult to "prove" in the extreme. your remarks on the origins of the name IVO are interesting, but i know nearly as little about the etymology of names as i do about musical notation, so am hesitant to comment on them. best from here, christopher "What about the older ones [Indians] ?" 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