medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture John Dillon wrote: Your second definition of "secular" is at odds with what I perceive to be common understandings of that term. These are exemplified by definitions 1 and 2 of the _Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary_'s entry for this word: 1 a : of or relating to the worldly or temporal <secular concerns> b : not overtly or specifically religious <secular music> c : not ecclesiastical or clerical <secular courts> <secular landowners> 2 : not bound by monastic vows or rules; specifically : of, relating to, or forming clergy not belonging to a religious order or congregation <a secular priest> Dear friends, even though I missed the beginning of this thread, I may mention that there actually is a meaning of 'secular' as remote (i.e. alienated) from relgious, specificallay Christian consciounsness. It would be safer to use the term 'secularized', though. However, by definition that can not occur in the Middle Ages, as secularization is a phenomenon of Enlightenment, or more generally of modernity, meaning the transfer of Church property into secular possession, but also the stripping of originally Christian terms, concepts and modes of thought of their religious/theological meaning. Hope that helps Richard Blum _________________________________________________________________ Schützen Sie Ihren Posteingang vor unerwünschten E-Mails. http://www.msn.de/antispam/prevention/junkmailfilter Schluß mit Spam - MSN hilft Ihnen hier weiter. ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html