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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture For what I know a little (Brittany in the Middle Ages), it seems to me than until the 11th century, each person (male or female) bore a unique anthroponym, which could be a saint's name (either Roman or local), but also a name among various names (with various meanings). Some of these names were from Celtic origin and the others were "gallo-frankish". In the 12 th and 13th centuries, more and more saints'names were given to people, even if others names were still in use. After the 13th, and during 14th and 15th, it's very rare to find somebody bearing a name which is not a saint's one ; at the same time, due to the decreasing of anthroponymic "stock", everybody begun to bear, in association with his/her "baptismal" name, a surname which was very often the one of his/her dad, but could be also a nickname. By the end of the 15th century, all these surnames have become hereditary. For what concerns Abelard and Astralabius, may I observe that : 1. The "baptismal" name of the philosopher was Peter 2. Abelard is a surname (not the name of the philosopher's dad) 3. Astralabius could have been a surname. 4. If the case, why the "baptismal" name of Astralabius could not have been Peter ? I agree with Brenda on the fact we have no medieval testimony about the "double name" of Abelard's son : that means we have to verify identity of all clerics bearing the name Peter at this period, to check if one of them isn't ours. ANDRE-YVES BOURGES ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html