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Hi Andy I think your suggestion is exactly right - the info given to planning technicians must be fit for purpose to support the decisions they make. That is what we had with the ACT maps in West of Scotland - the maps themselves were totally simple, only containing information on whom to consult for what area. The paper printouts had instructions on what kinds of development were relevant, i.e. decisions that could ligitimately be made by the planning technician. A weakness was that this aspect (filtering development types within a consultation trigger area) could be tricky to incorporate into an existing digital auto-referral system (because the planning systems often did not record explicitly whether a development involved ground disturbance etc), so this is where judgement came in, requiring user-education. But this was easily understandable to the planning technicians, and did not involve them second-guessing the archaeologists. Hope all's well in Staffs! cheers Crispin -----Original Message----- From: Kirkham, Andy (DSD) [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: 28 January 2005 11:15 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Consultation trigger data for planning autoreferral systems Hi, I know this discussion seems to have run its course but I couldn't resist contributing so I've put some personal, rather than corporate, views into a Word.doc attachment. Cheers - Andrew -----Original Message----- From: Issues related to Sites & Monuments Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Clare Gathercole Sent: 27 January 2005 14:50 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Consultation trigger data for planning autoreferral systems Hi, Thanks to everyone who responded on this subject ? plenty of food for thought there. The key to the situation seems to be the need to reduce planning consultation turnaround times by removing the need for any non-specialist interpretation at the consultation issuing stage, much as described by Gail. As long as this doesn't curtail the freedom of action of the planning archaeologist or result in a deluge of irrelevant consultations, I think it can be made to work, providing we can get the data supply right (which is where I came in). However, I do suspect that this is just the thin end of the wedge. So if this is something which hasn't come up in ALGAO discussions, James, yes it might be worth tossing it into the ring (thanks). As for the data methodology, thanks for all the tips. We are, of course, looking for the most-reliable-and-sustainable-for-least-effort solution, which will take a bit of time to thrash out. I will report any progress back to the list in due course, but in the meantime I may contact some of you off list where you've indicated willingness. Cheers Clare Clare Gathercole Environmental Records Officer Shropshire County Council ************************************************************* Any opinions expressed in this e-mail or any attached files are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of Shropshire County Council. This e-mail and any attached files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the addressee. This communication may contain material protected by law from being passed on. If you are not the intended recipient and have received this e-mail in error, you are advised that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the IT Technology Services Manager at Shropshire County Council, telephone 01743 252131 [log in to unmask] http://www.shropshireonline.gov.uk ************************************************************* Disclaimer This e-mail (including any attachments) is only for the person or organisation it is addressed to. If you are not the intended recipient you must let me know immediately and then delete this e-mail. If you use this e-mail without permission, or if you allow anyone else to see, copy or distribute the e-mail, or if you do, or don't do something because you have read this e-mail, you may be breaking the law. Liability cannot be accepted for any loss or damage arising from this e-mail (or any attachments) or from incompatible scripts or any virus transmitted. E-mails and attachments sent and received from and by staff and elected Members may be monitored and read and the right is reserved to reject or return or delete any which are considered to be inappropriate or unsuitable.