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Hi, Crispin. The system you describe sounds far superior and better thought out than ours was! I think getting a perfect system for this part of the planning process is a tall order because there is so much variation in information/system standards throughout the land. At best a system that works the majority of the time is the answer. I think we used to have that, but only by fluke, because, of course, the team of planning technicians I was part of were blessed with strong insight and intellect! What I suggested in my attachment(many apologies for breaking the rules with that)probably couldn't be automated, a big drawback in this day and age. But if it was workable it could potentially negate the effects of system and data variation etc. amongst authorities, leading to a more consistent national approach than we have now. Then again I'd probably claim it as a cure for the common cold if I wasn't of home in a minute! Cheers - Andrew -----Original Message----- From: Issues related to Sites & Monuments Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Crispin Flower Sent: 28 January 2005 12:40 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Consultation trigger data for planning autoreferral systems Hi Andy I think your suggestion is exactly right - the info given to planning technicians must be fit for purpose to support the decisions they make. That is what we had with the ACT maps in West of Scotland - the maps themselves were totally simple, only containing information on whom to consult for what area. The paper printouts had instructions on what kinds of development were relevant, i.e. decisions that could ligitimately be made by the planning technician. A weakness was that this aspect (filtering development types within a consultation trigger area) could be tricky to incorporate into an existing digital auto-referral system (because the planning systems often did not record explicitly whether a development involved ground disturbance etc), so this is where judgement came in, requiring user-education. But this was easily understandable to the planning technicians, and did not involve them second-guessing the archaeologists. Hope all's well in Staffs! cheers Crispin -----Original Message----- From: Kirkham, Andy (DSD) [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: 28 January 2005 11:15 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Consultation trigger data for planning autoreferral systems Hi, I know this discussion seems to have run its course but I couldn't resist contributing so I've put some personal, rather than corporate, views into a Word.doc attachment. Cheers - Andrew -----Original Message----- From: Issues related to Sites & Monuments Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Clare Gathercole Sent: 27 January 2005 14:50 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Consultation trigger data for planning autoreferral systems Hi, Thanks to everyone who responded on this subject ? plenty of food for thought there. The key to the situation seems to be the need to reduce planning consultation turnaround times by removing the need for any non-specialist interpretation at the consultation issuing stage, much as described by Gail. As long as this doesn't curtail the freedom of action of the planning archaeologist or result in a deluge of irrelevant consultations, I think it can be made to work, providing we can get the data supply right (which is where I came in). However, I do suspect that this is just the thin end of the wedge. So if this is something which hasn't come up in ALGAO discussions, James, yes it might be worth tossing it into the ring (thanks). As for the data methodology, thanks for all the tips. We are, of course, looking for the most-reliable-and-sustainable-for-least-effort solution, which will take a bit of time to thrash out. I will report any progress back to the list in due course, but in the meantime I may contact some of you off list where you've indicated willingness. Cheers Clare Clare Gathercole Environmental Records Officer Shropshire County Council ************************************************************* Any opinions expressed in this e-mail or any attached files are those of the individual, and not necessarily those of Shropshire County Council. This e-mail and any attached files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the addressee. This communication may contain material protected by law from being passed on. 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