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I think that more generally "carriage" and "coach" are considered synonymous in the railway context - sometimes one is used, sometimes the other, but in either case meaning the whole vehicle. A "compartment", however, is a sub-division of a coach or carriage.
 
Alastair H. Forbes
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Faculty of Leisure and Tourism
Buckinghamshire Chilterns University College
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From: Stephen Rawles [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 01 March 2005 16:04
To: 'Alastair Forbes'; [log in to unmask]
Subject: Carriage / Coaches

Interesting definition question here arising from the 'women only' strand..
 
I was brought up on the following:
 
'Carriage' = roughly speaking 'compartment' - corresponding to the putting together of the equivalents of horse-drawn carriages in the earliest days.
 
'Coach' = the whole vehicle, made up of several carriages (or compartments).
 
I haven't looked this up anywhere. Any thoughts?
 
Stephen Rawles
 
P.S. As already intimated to Dr Jain, I 'do' remember Ladies only compartments post-nationalisation on Southern Electrics, just like Jon Whiting elsewhere.
 

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-----Original Message-----
From: All aspects of railways, past, present and future. [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Alastair Forbes
Sent: 01 March 2005 15:50
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Subject: Re: women only train carriages

There were certainly "ladies only" compartments in some of the compartment stock of the pre-grouping railways, although I have never heard of whole carriages being set aside for the use of women. I do not know if the "big four" post-grouping companies maintained the practice of designating such compartments, but I'm fairly sure it did not survive nationalisation.
 
Alastair H. Forbes
Associate Dean and Head of Tourism
Faculty of Leisure and Tourism
Buckinghamshire Chilterns University College
Wellesbourne Campus, Kingshill Road
High Wycombe, Bucks., HP13 5BB, U.K.
Tel. +44 (0)1494 603045
Fax. +44 (0)1494 448601
-----Original Message-----
From: All aspects of railways, past, present and future. [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Juliet Jain
Sent: 01 March 2005 14:16
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Subject: women only train carriages

I was recently informed by a lady in her 70s that there used to be 'women only' railway carriages in britain.  Can anyone confirm this, and point me to any references about this? 
 
Please email to the address below. 
 
Dr Juliet Jain
Research Associate
Centre for Transport and Society
Faculty of the Built Environment
University of the West of England
Frenchay Campus
Coldharbour Lane
BRISTOL   BS16 1QY
 
Tel: 0117 328 3304
Fax: 0117 328 3899
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www.transport.uwe.ac.uk
 

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