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Although maternity statistics are my specialist area, I have found this
'debate' very frustrating as I simply don't have the time that some people
have have to read and send long emails during the day. At the same time, I
think the usefulness of the debate has been severely limited because others
with knowledge of the subject also have only had time to make one or two
very informative contributions in between the much more lengthy
contributions from others.

Operative delivery rates by mother's age over the years can be found in page
A7.21.1 of 'Birth counts: statistics of pregnancy and childbirth' by Alison
Macfarlane and Miranda Mugford. Publication details are cited in the
bulletin. They weren't included in this year's bulletin. If you are
particularly interested in having them, ring or email Lesz Lancucki whose
contact details are in the bulletin. As of April 1, he is now p[art of the
Health and Social Care Information Centre, but is still sitting in Skipton
House with the same phone number.

Alison Macfarlane

PS. I'm not a professor of midwifery Ray. I'm a statistician, not a midwife!

-----Original Message-----
From: Ray Thomas [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 11 April 2005 12:58
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Discussion on Maternity Statistics


>Until such a time as some clarity arises as to what, if any, issues can be
>discussed in-depth on this list, I will respond to this message of yours
>off-list.

I'm sorry that what looks like an important discussions of the influence or
statistics, or the lack of influence of statistics, has been taken off the
list.   Can we have a statement from the list owner about how this has
happened?

Can Alison also supply a vital bit of evidence from the earler discussion,
about how the operative delivery rates vary by age group at a particular
point of time - such as that shown by the latest published statistics.

Maybe Alison, Professor of mid-wifery, could post those figures (that are
'unfortunately not enough published')as a complement to her superb chart?'

Ray Thomas

----- Original Message -----
From: Macfarlane, Alison
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 9:53 AM
Subject: Re: Maternity statistics for England published to day


>Age specific rates have been increasing, as can be seen each time they are
>published, unfortunately not often enough

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