Those hay(na)ku are interesting, Jill, as they allow for whatever syllables while insisting on the steps of words down the line. Would you go further for another couple of lines ever? I liked them, as well as your renga. A certain enforced discipline for practice? Doug Douglas Barbour Department of English University of Alberta Edmonton Alberta T6G 2E5 Canada (780) 436 3320 http://www.ualberta.ca/~dbarbour/dbhome.htm I don’t need to hold back here in the union of forms Charles Olson