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Thanks very much for that Saadi, Richard; I guess what's striking is his rationality, as opposed to the mystic, who in his intoxication drops all his roses and is unable to communicate what he has experienced. Still, I'd rather have both the rose _and_ the poem - All the best A Alison Croggon Blog: http://theatrenotes.blogspot.com Editor, Masthead: http://masthead.net.au Home page: http://alisoncroggon.com