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dear crumbs, Oliver, OG> We will try to bring together those researching and teaching digital OG> art scientifically with those, who work scientifically in the field OG> of documentation. Full of hope we are suggesting to found an OG> international meta-database project/movement, where as many of our OG> partly highly specialized initiatives as possible could be part of. This sums up my fears for this conference, and I can only pray they are unfounded. The problem is that defining media art and writing media art history is no longer a purely scientific enterprise. It is really largely out of the hands of the academia. This conference should therefore avoid the common set up and organization for academic conferences. So far it does not seem to do that. At Transmediale there was a attempt to counter this 'academization' of what Robin Murphy called a gonzo criticism I believe, by trying to organize a collaborative definition of media art through the use of wikipedia. I am not sure wikipedia would be the proper place for it, but this idea shows that there is the need for a different approach to creating media art histories. best wishes, J *