RE: Gazette 11 Feb

I have been biding my time since the huge flurry of emails around the proposed (now actual) changes to subscription for Cilip membership.

Towards the end of that debate, I was slightly hopeful that Cilip would take up the challenge of engaging with its members, potential members and non members in what they wanted, how they could help, what Cilip currently offered et etc. I even had an email from a Cilip Council member asking what could be done.

And what have we had since the AGM, well, it seems to me nothing.

It is high time Cilip came out of its closet and actually stated what is its role in the discussion re posts that pay a pittance. What way they can help staff in the information services, and what they intend to do about appalling salaries. Lets have that big debate, maybe some regional meetings, maybe some small intimate meetings discussing ALL the issues raised last time we went round this particular. Is Cilip a responsive membership organisation?.

Come on Bob, lets hear it from you and your advisors, lets get some action on this long running saga!

Some of your members need help!! and of course are poised to renew or not, their subscription. (do you even see these emails?).

Frances

From: Chartered Library and Information Professionals [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Mcsean, Tony (ELS)
Sent: 14 February 2005 11:28
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Subject: Re: Gazette 11 Feb

Yes I do, which is why I hold the opinion I've stated, but accepting paid advertising for a recruitment free sheet is not an especially important element in big picture.

Tony McSeán
Director of Library Relations
Elsevier
+44 7795 960516
+44 1865 843630

From: Chartered Library and Information Professionals [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Dobson, Malcolm
Sent: 14 February 2005 11:00
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Subject: Re: Gazette 11 Feb

Does Tony really think that the proper recognition - including financial recognition - of professional qualification & expertise isn't particularly important?

And wasn't one of the arguments in support of the changes to the subscription structure that it would encourage lots of new members & make it easier for existing members to renew, thereby increasing subscription revenue? So perhaps the loss of income from a few advertisements wouldn't have such an impact, & CILIP could take a principled stand against low pay?

Malcolm S. Dobson
Librarian
James B.P. Ferguson Library
Lanarkshire NHS Board
14 Beckford St
Hamilton ML3 0TA

01698 281313 ext 6209

'Knowledge is power' - Christopher Dresser

The views expressed above are my own and not those of NHS Lanarkshire

-----Original Message-----
From:   Mcsean, Tony (ELS) [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
Sent:   14 February 2005 09:54
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Subject:        Re: Gazette 11 Feb

My view has always been that these adverts should be turned away but that the issue is not a particularly important one.

Or we could just close Enterprises and see our Cilip subscriptions double.

Tony McSeán
Director of Library Relations
Elsevier
+44 7795 960516
+44 1865 843630

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From: Chartered Library and Information Professionals [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Gillian Edwards
Sent: 12 February 2005 10:00
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Subject: Re: Gazette 11 Feb

Hello

I think this is an instance where CILIP could and should have stepped in.
I know there is an argument that if you are desperate for a job/experience you may be tempted to apply for things at such shocking pay but at least if CILIP stepped in to try to show said employer the error of their ways and, if unsuccessful refused to accept the advert and then publicised that fact in the Gazette or Update then any qualified librarian who did apply (if the ad was run elsewhere), would do so knowing they were going against the express advice of their professional colleagues. It might make some people think twice. A kite mark for CILIP approved adverts has been discussed before hasn't it-perhaps that is some kind of answer?

Gillian Edwards
Greenwich Council

Mike Morris wrote:

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Just to say I hope colleagues won't start an IKEA-style stampede to apply for the British Museum job (p. 12). I mean, degree, experience, chartership and languages-all for 16k!!

Seriously, are they having a laugh? Or are the BM a bit strapped for cash?

Mike Morris, Librarian, ISCA

51 Banbury Rd., Oxford OX2 6PE 01865 274671

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