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Conversely, Frances, wearing a smart suit doesn't mean you're any good at the job - just that you like wearing smart suits. Whilst not exactly on the poverty line as my wife earns considerably more than I do, I, too, was startled to find that after working 35 years in our "profession" I am still earning below the average wage. Many years ago, I remember debating with a senior member of the LA on the need for librarianship to become a graduate profession. Their main argument was that it would increase the status of librarians and with it, their pay. Doesn't seem to have worked! Mark Benjamin 9 Hencotes, Hexham NE46 2EQ Northumberland Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com