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Just to draw your attention to point 4 of the following: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/help/policy/etiquette.htm Andy -----Original Message----- From: UK medical/ health care library community / information workers [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Angus Leitch Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 1:50 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Change in job title Personally, I find the list useful for all sorts of things. Sharing a joke amongst colleagues is one of them. ____________ Angus Leitch Electronic Development Librarian Health Library 01782 556565 [log in to unmask] -----Original Message----- From: UK medical/ health care library community / information workers [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Andy Prue Sent: 04 August 2005 13:47 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Change in job title Sue, The point is that the comments made were extremely irreverent regardless of the context in which they were used. As a profession we should not be making these sorts of assumptions on a list such as this. Maybe I'm missing the point (and somebody please correct me if I am), but wasting time on a ridiculous game of semantics is surely a waste of this lists efforts, when it should be directing its attentions to more pressing concerns. Andy -----Original Message----- From: UK medical/ health care library community / information workers [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Merriott Sue Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 1:18 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Change in job title I would imagine it's an anecdotal-based comment! Sue Sue Merriott Library Services Manager Worthing Postgraduate Centre Park Avenue Worthing BN11 2HR 01903 285025 [log in to unmask] -----Original Message----- From: UK medical/ health care library community / information workers [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Andy Prue Sent: 04 August 2005 13:15 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Change in job title "Whether they'll get anyone who can string a sentence together on that money though is another question" Is this an evidence-based observation or an ill-founded assumption? I think comments like this should be avoided as I'm sure it's bound to cause offence! Andy Prue Web Development Librarian Health Libraries Network http://stlis.thenhs.com -----Original Message----- From: UK medical/ health care library community / information workers [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of John Gale Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 12:49 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Change in job title Agreed. Nomenclature notwithstanding it's probably a good thing to have more people out and about interacting with the readers rather than stuck behind desks all the time. Whether they'll get anyone who can string a sentence together on that money though is another question ... Quoting "Rowley, Margaret (Charles Hastings)" <[log in to unmask]>: > A 'floor walker' was of course a senior member of the sales team in a > retail store responsible for saying 'can I help you sir/madam?' and > referring the customer to the appropriate sales assistant (as in 'Are > you being served?'. I would put 'floor assistant' more into this > category - customer service rather than cleaning. > > Margaret Rowley BSc MA MCLIP DMS > Head of Knowledge Management > Rowlands Library > Charles Hastings Education Centre > Worcestershire Royal Hospital > Charles Hastings Way > Worcester > WR5 1DD > > Tel: 01905 760601 (direct) > 01905 763333 ext 33765 > Fax: 01905 760866 (direct) > 33761 (internal) > Email: [log in to unmask] > -----Original Message----- > From: UK medical/ health care library community / information workers > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Gordon Smith > Sent: 03 August 2005 11:04 > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: Change in job title > > If I was asked what "floor assistant" conveyed to me, I would probably > say cleaner. Could I point out that "a requirement for manual handling" > could cover dustpan and brush, a bucket and mop, etc. :-) > > Gordon. > > > Gordon Smith > The Sally Howell Library > Epsom General Hospital > Dorking Road > Epsom, Surrey, KT18 7EG > Tel. 01372-735688, Fax 01372-735687 > NULJ=HOWE, HLN=EP > > <<Cela est bien dit>> rEpondit Candide > <<mais il faut cultiver notre jardin>>. - Voltaire. > > >>> "Stewart, Chloe" <[log in to unmask]> 03/08/2005 > 10:56:04 >>> > I like Knowledge Choreographer but apparently it's not allowed as an > Agenda > for Change job title. > I agree that 'Floor assistant' is misleading but don't like the > 'demeaning' > claim - estates jobs aren't demeaning and in the NHS at least they're > life-saving. > > Chloe Stewart > Library Manager (Clinical Services) > Library & Learning Centre > Stobhill Hospital > 133 Balornock Road > Glasgow > G21 3UW > Tel: 0141 201 3357 > Fax: 0141 201 3357 > Email: [log in to unmask] > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Juliet brown [mailto:[log in to unmask]] > Sent: 03 August 2005 10:52 > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: Change in job title > > > Heheheheheeee personally I love that title. When my husband got a > promotion > at work he was toldl he could pick his title and I suggested he was a > Professor of "clever things", he was not amused, he chose to be Prof of > numerical geosciences (how boring - but he does basically count gravel > as a > living). I wonder what a non information librarian does.... if I ever > find > one I will have to ask. > J > > Juliet Brown > Medical Librarian - Vale of Leven DGH > Never lend books, for no one ever returns them. The only books I have > in my > library are books that other folks have leant me. > (Anatole France) > The information contained in this message may be confidential > or legally privileged and is intended for the addresseee only. > If you have received this message in error or there are any > problems, please notify the originator immediately. > > The unauthorised use, disclosure, copying or alteration of this > message is strictly forbidden. > > >>> "Gray, Geraldine" <[log in to unmask]> 08/03/05 10:55am >>> > Talking about Job titles, I agree with Malcolm it does sound like an > amalgam > between porter/security and library assistant. Can I add another > bete-noire > of mine...cannot say how much I am irritated by the title ..Information > Librarian > > Geraldine > > -----Original Message----- > From: Juliet brown [mailto:[log in to unmask]] > Sent: 03 August 2005 10:40 > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: Change in job title > > > hmmmm floor assistants - an ideal job for a floozie called flo. Sorry, > couldn't help that. I'm suprised they don't ask for a bit of carpet > laying > or polishing while they are at it. Perhaps it is just a true reflection > of > what people think. Must be other wonderful titles out there for our > jobs > cheers, J > (information carer?/wild book handler?) > > Juliet Brown > Medical Librarian - Vale of Leven DGH > Never lend books, for no one ever returns them. The only books I have > in my > library are books that other folks have leant me. > (Anatole France) > The information contained in this message may be confidential > or legally privileged and is intended for the addresseee only. > If you have received this message in error or there are any > problems, please notify the originator immediately. > > The unauthorised use, disclosure, copying or alteration of this > message is strictly forbidden. > > >>> Ann Brew <[log in to unmask]> 08/03/05 10:02am >>> > > > Hello, > > Has anyone else seen this advert and been horrified by the completely > demeaning title ? > > http://www.platform2recruit.co.uk/universityoflondon/pages/jobdetails.as > p?id > =1490 > > Perhaps someone from the relevant department (Library, HR, Recruitment > Office ?) could explain in exactly what way a floor assistant differs > from > a library assistant ? I've taken a look at the job description and it > seems > suspiciously similar to library assistant tasks... > > "You will work at the Membership and Circulation and Bibliographic > service-points performing a range of front of house and manual support > duties, including dealing with user enquiries, the issue, return and > renewal of books, servicing the Closed Stack collection, and moving > bookstock. You will also provide support across a range of routine > activities related to the maintenance of book stacks and the up-keep of > the > library areas in general. > Previous experience of working in a customer service or similar > environment > is required and you must possess a helpful and friendly demeanour > combined > with the ability to undertake a number of tasks simultaneously in such a > way as to be immediately helpful to library visitors and users. A good > team > member, able to work independently to meet set targets, you will have > basic > keyboarding skills and the ability to acquire new skills on standard > library systems. > The duties of the post involve a requirement for the manual handling and > movement of furniture, equipment and library bookstock and some > Evening/Saturday duties." > > Is this where the library profession is going ? Removing the word > 'library' > from all our titles so people will never understand what we do ? > > Ann-Emily Brew > Assistant Librarian > > BMA Library > British Medical Association > BMA House > Tavistock Square > London > WC1H 9JP > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and > intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they > are addressed. 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