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Jeff, I fully agree with you and Ian. It requires much more than discussed here. But this isn't the place to have that discussion I think. Jules > -----Original Message----- > From: LHC Computer Grid - Rollout > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Jeff Templon > Sent: dinsdag 18 januari 2005 12:31 > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [LCG-ROLLOUT] [ATLAS-LCG] Disk failure at Prague > > Hi > > On Tue, 2005-01-18 at 12:18, Jules Wolfrat wrote: > > Jeff, Stephen, > > > > I accept your point, but you can't expect that sysadmins > deal with this > > situation, they never can tell if a validated action is wanted or > > unwanted. And I wonder if you ever can do a restore of the RLS on > > request of a user because of the above because of the > reasons mentioned > > before, the loss of changes between time of restore and > time of backup. > > It's not a sysadmin problem, it's a vision problem. There is no > consistent model that would inform > > a) sysadmins > b) middleware authors > c) users > > how to deal with all this. As Stephen said earlier, he is > still trying > to figure out what an SE actually is "supposed to be". > > And as Ian said, it's going to require a huge amount of work. > LCG-ROLLOUT should be required reading for glite developers. > > J "got one of them to subscribe just now" T >