On Fri, 14 Jan 2005, Burke, S (Stephen) wrote: > Nothing major then :) I seem to remember when I first joined EDG I started > by trying to understand what an SE was supposed to be; I'm not sure I've > ever managed it ... part of the problem is that sites just think "we're > supposed to have an SE", so they put one in even if it's just a normal > machine with a 100 Gb disk. As you say, given good networking there's no > strong reason for that, sites can easily point their close SE somewhere else > - as NIKHEF have apparently done, although Sara isn't entirely a different > site. The problem is that requires WNs to have IP connectivity to the world at large, a requirement that we at Brunel would like to avoid. My hope was that the middleware would evolve in such a way that the job on the WN can upload and register the results to the local cache-SE, request the local cache-SE to *move* the data to whichever mass-storage-SE(s) the experiment thinks is appropriate and then terminate immediately, returning some handle to the move-request to the experiment's submission framework so that progress can be tracked or the move-request modified if there's a problem somewhere. (Note how the "RLS" service is accessed through the SE, too) Of course, this requires a much heavier SE than at present... (I suppose strictly the cache-SE doesn't have to be local, but you get the idea...) Henry -- Dr. Henry Nebrensky [log in to unmask] http://www.brunel.ac.uk/~eesrjjn "The opossum is a very sophisticated animal. It doesn't even get up until 5 or 6 p.m."