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Dear Nick Costs. Basically we didn't know what they would be because we had never done it before and we didn't even know how many old reports had environmental material within then (which I imagine is likely to be the case with many SMRs). We went out on a limb. We had the environmental and finds indices in our software and we knew that the environmental information was likely to be much less than the artefactual information so when we were biding for money (from the e-government budget) we chose to go for that. We asked for £2000 because it wasn't too much but we knew it would be enough to give us a really good assessment of the situation. To be honest we blagged it -I would have started if I had just got £200. We then started and were pleasantly surprised as to how quick this was for the mass of our grey literature. On the evidence of that I have made a rough estimate that I will need another £1000 to complete the job. Although getting money is never easy we have found that if you have a demonstrable product rather than an ideas it is a bit easier. other counties may find it more or less expensive depending on the amount of work that has been done. New data is entered as part every day work by our HER Archaeologist who is not a specialist. The old data was entered by our Environmental Assistant as we needed him to assess how successful the procedure was. Hope this helps Victoria Bryant MA MIFA Historic Environment Record Manager Worcestershire County Council Historic Environment and Archaeology Service Woodbury Hall University College Worcester Henwick Grove Worcester WR2 6AJ 01905 855494 -----Original Message----- From: Nick Boldrini [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 1:53 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [FISH] e-conference -the Worcestershire environmental index This is kind of circular. If the data were on the form, the HER could enter the data direct without going via the EAB, and the EAB could upload the digital data from the HER. The issue is getting stuff which won't have proformas into a system (EAB/OASIS/HER/Whatever) so it can then be circulated to the others if needed/wanted for easier incorporation. And the only answer to that is via funding. Vic - I'd be interested to know how you worked out the costs for your project, that might be useful to help others quantify the cost per HER and also at other scales eg this sort of backlog project may be doable regionally? best wishes Nick Boldrini Historic Environment Record Officer Heritage Section Countryside Service North Yorkshire County Council Direct Dial (01609) 532331 This email is personal. It is not authorised by or sent on behalf of North Yorkshire County Council, however, the Council has the right and does inspect emails sent from and to its computer system. This email is the sole responsibility of the sender >>> [log in to unmask] 20/01/2005 13:22:39 >>> Dear all, Allan Hall has entered some grey literature. Coverage is better in the North, where he has been researching sites as part of the production of Regional Reviews or environmental archaeology. He could add more grey literature if it was sent to him, especially in a form that could be entered quickly (e.g in the simple form format we have been discussing) Gill -----Original Message----- From: Bryant, Victoria (CS, Archaeology Unit) [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: 20 January 2005 13:14 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [FISH] e-conference -the Worcestershire environmental index I agree with Jill but unfortunately for us most of our modern information although of a high standard was in grey literature and therefore (correct me if I'm wrong) is not in the EAB index. Other counties will, of course be in a better position. Victoria Bryant MA MIFA Historic Environment Record Manager Worcestershire County Council Historic Environment and Archaeology Service Woodbury Hall University College Worcester Henwick Grove Worcester WR2 6AJ 01905 855494 -----Original Message----- From: CAMPBELL, Gill [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 1:11 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [FISH] e-conference -the Worcestershire environmental index Dear all Another option to deal with the backlog would be to use the data already present within the Environmental Archaeology Database (EAB). In working on the development of environmental terms for inclusion in HER/ SMRs we took the subject codes in EAB as a starting point and would hope that it would be possible in future to transfer data in this on-line resource to HER/SMRs. More on this later in the conference!.... You can visit Environmental Archaeology Database at http://ads.ahds.ac.uk/catalogue/resources.html?eab_eh_2004 (You will need to agree to abide by the terms stated) The EAB is maintained and updated by Allan Hall at the University of York on English Heritage funding. With best wishes, Gill Campbell Head of Environmental Studies (Acting) English Heritage Fort Cumberland Fort Cumberland Road, Portsmouth P04 9LD tel: 02392 856780 -----Original Message----- From: Nick Boldrini [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: 20 January 2005 13:01 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [FISH] e-conference -the Worcestershire environmental index Well the key question is how do you fund/prioritise this? IN NYCC terms, we have a massive backlog which we are coming up with a strategy for, so in theory we could input the data as part of that backlog entry. However, as this backlog data will not be in a pro forma easy entry data format, this would be more time consuming, as the information would have to be ferreted out of the text, and would perhaps be difficult for those of us unfamiliar with environmental and science data. One option might be to pay a specialist(s) to go through the reports and create pro forma for each report, and possibly even input the data, but this needs funding? Perhaps another option is to get AIP to start doing this (ie proformas for reports) as part of there rounds and upload the data via OASIS? If no funding is available from eg an EH pot, then the issue will be decided by each HER based on their own priorities and resources. Which means coverage would probably be patchy at regional/national scales. best wishes Nick Boldrini Historic Environment Record Officer Heritage Section Countryside Service North Yorkshire County Council Direct Dial (01609) 532331 This email is personal. 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