There the can of worms springs out .....words: dead ...flogging and horse come to mind ... yes the glory about of being able to double index at the end sometime we need to get this sorted out from what i have seen in the project i am running I am dealing with content from museums, archives and SMR and trying to get them working as one... they have a number of attributes in common period (what they are about, etc), place (where they are located, about etc) among others things is not one of them agrees on the standards across the board ...... not even in term and span or in terms of practice of how to record .. time is among those concepts they do not agree on We should design something and then refine it ... personally i am a pragamtist do nothing and just talk and people will do their own thing ... without leadership then its anarchy. Anarchy is bad and makes the situation worse the longer it goes on ... so response .. we need to get something done .. something basic agreed then refine and build on it. But i guess thats easy for me to say as i am not doing it. By the way i am taking trying to take shots at FISH over this its a big issue ... but we avoid these things at our peril... but its easy for people like me who are not going to do the work. As i am no longer apart of the contributing members i really should keep my mouth shut and not ask that this get done. Personally as a proof of concept the period terminology that was produced was ok .. alright it had problems but hay its a first stab... if anyone can do any better well go ahead. I would agree with phil index two terms and by the way if you wish to record occupancy phase then tag the date as a occupancy phase or build date etc etc i do not thing you should remove that possibility. One size does not fit all so we make the terminology broad and deep, if all of it does not fit with what you want use what does. sorry phil ...I know you wanted to avoid this discussion but its worth saying it does concern some of the stuff i am dealing with in the DSH project. within this project we will be looking at terminologies period is amongst that so going forward for me i will wish to look at this for our project. Jason A. Siddall Project and IT Leader Discovering Shropshire's History - Learning from our Landscapes Supported by the Heritage Lottery Fund "CARLISLE, Phil" <Philip.Carlisle@ENGLISH-HERIT To: [log in to unmask] AGE.ORG.UK> cc: Sent by: "The Forum for Subject: Re: [FISH] Time's up! Information Standards in Heritage (FISH)" <[log in to unmask]> 23/08/2005 16:09 Please respond to "The Forum for Information Standards in Heritage (FISH)" Personally I’d index it as two phases. The first phase is a construction phase with start and end dates of 1939 display date ‘Interwar period’ or 1939 Then it has a second phase with start date 1939 end date 1945 and display date ‘Operational during Second World War’ However this opens up the whole issue of whether we should record ‘occupancy’ phases. Phil Carlisle Data Standards Supervisor National Monuments Record Centre Kemble Drive Swindon SN2 2GZ +44 (0)1793 414824 The information contained within this e-mail is confidential and may be privileged. It is intended for the addressee only. If you have received the e-mail in error, please inform the sender and delete it from your system. The contents of this e-mail must not be disclosed to anyone else or copied without the sender's consent. Any views and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of English Heritage. English Heritage will not take any responsibility for the views of the author. -----Original Message----- From: The Forum for Information Standards in Heritage (FISH) [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of David Evans Sent: 23 August 2005 16:01 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [FISH] Time's up! I was going to go on about WWII, but for the time being I won't. I would however ask if an AA battery built in August 1939 is not WWII how would I find it in a period search for WWII material if the extremely arbitrary start date is September 1939! Thank You David Evans Historic Environment Record Officer Planning & Environment South Gloucestershire Council Kingswood BS15 9TR 01454 863649 From: The Forum for Information Standards in Heritage (FISH) [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of CARLISLE, Phil Sent: 23 August 2005 15:54 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: [FISH] Time's up! May I please apologize for opening this particular can of terms. M’learned colleague Kieran is frantically trying to coax them all back into their rusty old can until the next time someone asks how they should index a Post Modern, Neo-Georgian, anti-aircraft battery! Once again sorry for the deluge of insanity. I have a strange feeling this will rear it’s ugly head again in the not too distant future and we may, god forbid, have to hold another e-conference on the subject. If folks think that would be a good idea could they please think again ;-) Phil Phil Carlisle Data Standards Supervisor National Monuments Record Centre Kemble Drive Swindon SN2 2GZ +44 (0)1793 414824 The information contained within this e-mail is confidential and may be privileged. It is intended for the addressee only. If you have received the e-mail in error, please inform the sender and delete it from your system. The contents of this e-mail must not be disclosed to anyone else or copied without the sender's consent. 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