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We tried the iRiver a while back which is similar to the iPods and also had the input for directional microphone such ECM-Z60 and the quality seemed reasonable. Our biggest concern with the harddisk based recorders is the long term reliability and susceptibility to damage and complete loss of data. Here is the link http://www.iriver.com/html/product/prpa_product.asp?pidx=61 Nasser Siabi Microlink PC -----Original Message----- From: Discussion list for disabled students and their support staff. [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Tim Cunningham Sent: 23 November 2005 15:46 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: iPods Thanks Graham, I hadn't realised that the US University had recorded the lectures/seminars separately and then made them available for download (still a very good idea though!). I've read in to this a little more now and have found that not many hard drive (2GB+) based mp3 players do actually record as well. I guess this may be down to copyright laws with mp3 music? I'm keen for our students to carry on having a choice of recorders - cassettes, minidisk or digital - but am also keen to trial a hard drive based recorder as well. I'm still interested to know if anyone out there has used one successfully and if so, what make and model. Tim -----Original Message----- From: Discussion list for disabled students and their support staff. [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Graham Rice Sent: 23 November 2005 15:40 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: iPods Tim I continually evaluate different recording devices in order to advise the assessors here at CCPD, University of Westminster. At the moment my preferred digital recorder is the Olympus DM20 which, though it only has 128Mb to save recordings, it works well with both PCs and Macs and has the facility to transfer data and play music. I have recently been evaluating an Olympus DS2200 which appears the same as the DM20 but uses XD cards rather than internal memory, allowing for up to 512Mb (data /recordings) to be held on the recorder. This can be supplemented by additional XD cards, if needed. I have used the Griffin iTalk and Belkin universal microphone adaptor and voice recorder with a 4th generation iPod. These attachments utilize the voice recorder software provided by the iPod models with dock connectors. They plug directly into the iPod allowing you to record what you want - music, ramblings or lectures - as an 8 kHz .wav file. When using the iPod and the different adapters in lectures and group work I found the recordings to be quite good when recording personal thoughts but not for group work or lectures (even when using specialist directional microphones), where there was often too much noise from other people to distinguish main speaker or lecturer. My understanding of the iPods used in US universities is that the lecture was recorded separately / professionally and the resulting file was made available later for download from the university intranet, so the iPods weren't expected to record the lectures directly. Below is a list of all iPods that do and don't work with iTalk or Belkin universal microphone adaptor (courtesy of Microlink PC): IPOD TYPE DO or DON'T work with iTalk or Belkin voice adaptors 1st Generation DON'T 2nd Generation DON'T 3rd Generation 15, 20, 40gb DO 4th Generation DO 5th Generation (iPod with video) 30 and 60gb DON'T iPod mini DON'T IPod shuffle DON'T iPod photo DO iPod nano DON'T The new iPod 5th Generation / video (UK, Oct 05) is meant to have improved audio recording capabilities 22.05 kHz monaural and 44.1 kHz stereo, compared to 8 kHz of the previous models. Apparently Apple has removed the top wired remote jack, so that none of the existing microphone attachments from either Griffin or Belkin are compatible with the new 5th Generation. Hopefully we'll see some compatible adapters soon. As yet I haven't had the opportunity to play with a iPod 5th Generation so there may be some one out there who has more precise information regarding the new model. Regards Graham Rice, Technician Central London Assessment Centre University of Westminster 72 Great Portland Street London W1W 7NH Tel: +44 020 7915 5428 Fax: +44 020 7911 5162 On 23 Nov 2005, at 10:36, Tim Cunningham wrote: > Hi all > I got this idea from seeing something similar on the news a while ago > and just wondered if anyone had any first hand experience with it. > > We have a number of different recording devices here that we loan to > students who are waiting for their DSA funding to be processed. > > These recording devices range from Minidisks and digital recorders > down to an old style cassette walkman. > > Ideally I'd like all the students to be able to use a digital > recorder, that way they can record their lectures/notes and archive > them on to their PC/Laptop. > > The digital recorders we use all have removable media in the form of a > memory card which is normally about 128MB. This will normally record > a couple of hours of lectures. > > However, I noticed a University in the US give out iPods to all > students with the detachable microphone that they can use to record > lectures. > Obviously they will be used for playing music too but the same can be > said for loaned laptops etc - no doubt non-educational sites and games > will be viewed and ran! > > Do any UK based Universities loan out iPods for recording lectures? > Once the lectures are on an iPod can they be moved to a student's > laptop/ PC? A budget iPod can store 2-4GB and for a little extra > money you can get a 30GB or 60GB model. > > If anyone does use an iPod to record or is responsible for loaning > them out to students I'd be very interested to here both on or off > list. > > Many thanks > Tim Cunningham > > -- > Tim Cunningham > Disabilities Support Technician > Northumbria University > > Tel: 0191 243 7686 > Mob: 0797 497 2954 > > http://www.northumbria.ac.uk/disabilities > > > ==== > This e-mail is intended solely for the addressee. It may contain > private and confidential information. If you are not the intended > addressee, please take no action based on it nor show a copy to > anyone. Please reply to this e-mail to highlight the error. 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