As we are required to monitor our student population to ensure that we are not discriminating, we need to have details of age in the same way as we need ethnicity, nationality etc. There is also an issue of child protection as if students are under 18 we may need to CRB check staff coming into contact with them. Therefore the need for this information is clear and legitimate. Admissions policies should ensure that there is no discrimination, particularly if they comply with Section 10 of the QAA Code of Practice, and if HEIs have an Admissions Appeals procedure then the applicant has a means of redress if they believe they have been discriminated against. I suppose the only argument could be that this information should be collected at enrolment rather than on application (but see point about under 18s as CRB checking takes some time) Regards Mandi Mandi Barron Assistant Registrar (Regulation) and Information Officer Bournemouth University, Registry HR108, Heron House, 10 Christchurch Road Bournemouth, BH1 3NA tel: +44 (0) 1202 964783 fax: +44 (0) 1202 963869 email: [log in to unmask] -----Original Message----- From: This list is for those interested in Data Protection issues [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Andrew Charlesworth Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 4:32 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [data-protection] data protection and dates of birth in the US. In line with my last post, I would suggest that the important issue here is that the institution is in a position to demonstrate a legitimate purpose for asking for age/DOB. Under US employment law, the employer potentially increases the likelihood of a claim of discrimination by asking for age/DOB on a blanket basis, and so some employers have rules about appropriate circumstances, e.g.: <http://www.fredonia.edu/humanresources/inquiry.htm> Equally, under UK DP law, it would seem sensible for an institution to have identified a legitimate need for the collection of age/DOB from applicants for student places, or face the risk of being accused of being in breach of Principles 1-3 DPA 1998. Incidentally, see: <http://www.dti.gov.uk/er/equality/age.htm> for the current UK position on age discrimination in employment - which looks as if it may have a similar effect to the US legislation in terms of employees. I am not familiar with the situation concerning age discrimination in relation to provision of student places, but I would suggest that it would be undesirable for an institution to be perceived to be engaging in age discrimination in student recruitment. Best wishes Andrew --On August 10, 2005 3:17 PM +0100 Mary Liddell <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Rachel, > > I think she's probably referring to the age discrimination law in the US; > although I don't think it entitles her not to provide her DoB, even there. > > Mary F. Liddell > Data Protection and Information Officer > Brunel University > > > -----Original Message----- > From: This list is for those interested in Data Protection issues > [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Jarvis Rachel > Sent: 10 August 2005 14:47 > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: [data-protection] data protection and dates of birth in the US. > > > Dear all, > > I've had a query from a member of staff that has totally stumped me. I > haven't heard of anything along these lines, I was hoping that someone > would be able to help? > > "We have recently received an application for postgraduate admission from > a US lady. She did not include her date of birth on the application form. > When pressed for her date of birth she refused to give it saying that > this was contravening some data protection act in force in the US, and > that in the next 6 months we would be subject to the same conditions." > > Many thanks, > > Rachel > > Records Manager > Royal Holloway University of London > Egham, > TW20 0EX > > Tel: 01784 414088 > > > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > All archives of messages are stored permanently and are > available to the world wide web community at large at > http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/data-protection.html > If you wish to leave this list please send the command > leave data-protection to [log in to unmask] > All user commands can be found at : - > http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/help/commandref.htm > Any queries about sending or receiving message please send to the list > owner [log in to unmask] > (all commands go to [log in to unmask] not the list please) > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > All archives of messages are stored permanently and are > available to the world wide web community at large at > http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/data-protection.html > If you wish to leave this list please send the command > leave data-protection to [log in to unmask] > All user commands can be found at : - > http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/help/commandref.htm > Any queries about sending or receiving message please send to the list > owner [log in to unmask] > (all commands go to [log in to unmask] not the list please) > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Andrew Charlesworth Senior Research Fellow in IT and Law Director, Centre for IT and Law School of Law/Department of Computer Science University of Bristol Wills Memorial Building Queens Road, Bristol BS8 1RJ Tel: 0117 954 5633 Fax: 0117 954 5208 E-mail: [log in to unmask] ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ All archives of messages are stored permanently and are available to the world wide web community at large at http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/data-protection.html If you wish to leave this list please send the command leave data-protection to [log in to unmask] All user commands can be found at : - http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/help/commandref.htm Any queries about sending or receiving message please send to the list owner [log in to unmask] (all commands go to [log in to unmask] not the list please) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ All archives of messages are stored permanently and are available to the world wide web community at large at http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/data-protection.html If you wish to leave this list please send the command leave data-protection to [log in to unmask] All user commands can be found at : - http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/help/commandref.htm Any queries about sending or receiving message please send to the list owner [log in to unmask] (all commands go to [log in to unmask] not the list please) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^