Tim Turner on Thursday, September 01, 2005 at 12:08 PM said:-
> It should not be part of a customer facing role to get abuse from
> members of
> the public, whether a staff member is pregnant or not. Non-pregnant staff
> members still have a right to be warned about / protected from potential
> abuse.
Quite right, they also have a right to be told accurate information which is
pertinent to circumstances they may be in.
> I wouldn't personally put my name on a letter telling a man who had
> threatened a colleague with a chainsaw that information about his
> chainsaw-wielding activities was going to be available to staff who needed
> to know. I would expect him to be annoyed at the organisation in general,
> and at the author in particular. Though it is very difficult for
> a person to
> find out who I am purely through having my name, in this hypothetical
> example, I don't see why I should take the chance. I wouldn't, in
> fact, send
> the letter in the first place. I think it should be Chainsaw Man's
> reasonable expectation that a warning about his actions would be
> circulated
> to staff likely to come into contact with him. It's the chance he
> takes when
> he picks up the chainsaw.
If chainsaw man picked up the chainsaw to use it in an appropriate manner,
at an inappropriate time he would not necessarily expect to be secretly
placed on a violent persons register.
Perceptions form opinions, and opinions rather than facts can sometimes form
the basis of violent person markers. Should any organisation not question
the opinions upon which it bases actions?
At the end of the day I suppose it is easier to secretly place people on
such a list rather than question the opinion of a member of staff, and then
potentially disregard it.
Required notification methods can have many organisational advantages.
Ian W
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>
> To take your two points:
>
> It should not be part of a customer facing role to get abuse from
> members of
> the public, whether a staff member is pregnant or not. Non-pregnant staff
> members still have a right to be warned about / protected from potential
> abuse.
>
> I wouldn't personally put my name on a letter telling a man who had
> threatened a colleague with a chainsaw that information about his
> chainsaw-wielding activities was going to be available to staff who needed
> to know. I would expect him to be annoyed at the organisation in general,
> and at the author in particular. Though it is very difficult for
> a person to
> find out who I am purely through having my name, in this hypothetical
> example, I don't see why I should take the chance. I wouldn't, in
> fact, send
> the letter in the first place. I think it should be Chainsaw Man's
> reasonable expectation that a warning about his actions would be
> circulated
> to staff likely to come into contact with him. It's the chance he
> takes when
> he picks up the chainsaw.
>
> Tim Turner
> Wigan Council
>
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> > From: Roland Perry[SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> > Reply To: Roland Perry
> > Sent: 01 September 2005 11:34
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: [data-protection] Potentially Violent List
> >
> > In message
> > <[log in to unmask]>, at
> > 11:00:56 on Thu, 1 Sep 2005, Tim Turner <[log in to unmask]>
> > writes
> > >For every anecdote about an unfair warning, there are
> examples, however
> > >rare or exceptional, where a member of the public throws a chair at a
> > >member of staff they have never met before, discharges a firearm above
> > >a staff member's head, or makes threats to a staff member who is
> > >heavily pregnant.
> >
> > A health and safety issue, perhaps. You would expect heavily pregnant
> > staff to be excused manual labour tasks, so what about excusing them
> > risky customer-facing roles too?
> >
> > >Who would be first in the queue to tell Chainsaw Man that he was now on
> > the
> > >violent list? I wouldn't, and I wouldn't ask anyone else to do it.
> >
> > What, even if the notification was writing a letter?
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> > Roland Perry
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