[log in to unmask] on Friday, July 15, 2005 at 6:28 AM said:-
> 3) If you debate these issues in public someone always accuses
> you of having
> something to hide or of being unpatriotic.
My experience has been that is no more than a verbal defensive measure taken
by those who wish to stifle the subject due to perceived weaknesses,
embarrassment about the matter or time limitations within their own sphere.
Ian W
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> 1) I never mentioned apology.
>
> 2) Many of the measured are introduced without proper debate and in some
> cases in spite of opposition. The whip is used whenever dissent
> occurs and
> parliament are bypassed whenever they appear to be defeating the
> government.
>
> 3) If you debate these issues in public someone always accuses
> you of having
> something to hide or of being unpatriotic.
>
> Ian B
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 14/07/05 13:30:39 GMT Daylight Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
>
> > I cannot agree with the suggestion that we need to apologise to
> tyrannical
> > regimes for their behaviour because the Government is
> introducing strict
> > security measures. Tyrannical regimes do not debate these
> issues, they do not
> > put the issues to a vote before a legislative body that
> reflects the public's
> > consent, and they do not put the public's interest first.
> Tyrannical regimes
> > are not based upon consent and debate; they are based upon
> force and fraud.
> >
> > The government has put these measures before parliament where
> they have
> > been debated. Our responsibility as citizens is to take our
> concerns to our
> > representatives and alert them to the dangers involved. We
> need to raise public
> > awareness and get the public to act. We need an open and
> sustained debate
> > so that the public can understand the decisions and judgements
> made by their
> > public representatives. The representatives make these choices
> because they
> > believe they are in the public's interest, not to protect the
> government's
> > interests. If we believe that their decisions are wrong or
> disproportionate,
> > then we need to point to them and our fellow citizens what is
> wrong with their
> > arguments.
> >
>
>
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