If the Mental Capacity Act 2005 were in force it would probably be a breach of that. Paul Ticher 0116 273 8191 22 Stoughton Drive North, Leicester LE5 5UB I hereby require any recipient of this message not to use my personal data for direct marketing purposes. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Trent" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 10:22 AM Subject: Re: DPA and Confidentiality > What happens if a carer or another person gives the information "under the > DDA" but the student is both competent to have made their own decision to > reveal the information and would not have done so. > > Is this then a DDA or a DPA issue? And how would you proceed under those > circumstances? > > -----Original Message----- > From: This list is for those interested in Data Protection issues > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Peter Burgess > Sent: 07 July 2005 09:40 > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [data-protection] DPA and Confidentiality > > We have based our policies on guidance issued by the Learning and Skills > Council in 2003 'Guidance for post-16 providers on implementing the > Disability Discrimination Act Part 4. Disclosure, Confidentiality and > Passing on Information'. > > This guidance makes it clear that although under the DDA it is assumed that > once one member of staff has been informed of a student's disability all > members of staff know, it is nevertheless necessary to obtain the student's > explicit consent to process before the information can be passed on to > another member of staff. > > We would normally ask the student for their consent. In the rare cases where > they are not willing to give it we have to resort to other ways of creating > a learning environment that supports them without revealing their personal > data. Eg. Carrying out additional risk assessments in workshops, field trips > etc. Most students seem to understand that we can support them better if we > are able to process their data so the situation does not often arise. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: This list is for those interested in Data Protection issues > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Paul Ticher > Sent: 06 July 2005 17:19 > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [data-protection] DPA and Confidentiality > > I can't remember whether this was discussed on this list or I found it > somewhere else equally reliable, but I am pretty sure of the following: > > If the student tells a member of staff about a disability, they cannot > require the information to be kept secret by that member of staff. > Provided > the member of staff is acting in an official, not private, capacity they are > an agent of the organisation and the student has, in effect, told the > organisation. (What happens if the student mentions it down the pub, I > don't know.) > > Even if the organisation needs at the time to make no "reasonable > adjustments" to accommodate the disability, they may have to show in future > that they considered that option and decided that it was unnecessary. > Therefore it must be recorded formally. In order to prevent the student > from feeling aggrieved if they did want the information kept secret, the > organisation must ensure that all students know, before they talk to anyone > about a disability, that secrecy is not an option (though confidentiality, > on a need to know basis, certainly is). > > Also, individuals cannot voluntarily give up their rights under the Act. > This means that if a "reasonable adjustment" is necessary, and would > inevitably draw attention to the disability, the individual still cannot > insist on secrecy by preventing the adjustment from being made. > > I can't give you chapter and verse on this. I think it must be in > amendments to the 1995 Disability Discrimination Act. There's a section on > it in the book I wrote on employment records, which was checked by a lawyer > who did not say that I was wrong. (That's not an advert for the book, just > evidence in support of what I've set out.) > > Hope this is useful, but interested if anyone else disagrees. > > Paul Ticher > 0116 273 8191 > 22 Stoughton Drive North, Leicester LE5 5UB > > I hereby require any recipient of this message not to use my personal data > for direct marketing purposes. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nick Clark" <[log in to unmask]> > To: <[log in to unmask]> > Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 10:19 AM > Subject: DPA and Confidentiality > > > A bit of advice required. A data subject (student in this case) > discloses information about a behavioural or physical disability to a > member of staff (e.g. a counsellor) and requests that this information > be kept confidential. However the nature of this special need is such > that action would need to be taken to enable access for the individual > or to protect others; how should we handle this? Can it be disclosed or > be required to be disclosed to the H&S Officer or to others that might > be vulnerable? We have a duty of care here. > > We are trying to put together a policy for handling such cases, and > ideally everything would be open and cosy and the individual would give > their consent for the information to be used appropriately, but in > reality the individual might not give us the information if they knew it > would be used elsewhere. > > Thanks in advance for any advice. > > Nick > > Nick Clark > Director of IT Services > Tower Hamlets College > +44(0)20 7536 5738 > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > All archives of messages are stored permanently and are > available to the world wide web community at large at > http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/data-protection.html > If you wish to leave this list please send the command > leave data-protection to [log in to unmask] > All user commands can be found at : - > http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/help/commandref.htm > Any queries about sending or receiving message please send to the list > owner > [log in to unmask] > (all commands go to [log in to unmask] not the list please) > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > All archives of messages are stored permanently and are > available to the world wide web community at large at > http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/data-protection.html > If you wish to leave this list please send the command > leave data-protection to [log in to unmask] > All user commands can be found at : - > http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/help/commandref.htm > Any queries about sending or receiving message please send to the list > owner > [log in to unmask] > (all commands go to [log in to unmask] not the list please) > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > All archives of messages are stored permanently and are > available to the world wide web community at large at > http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/data-protection.html > If you wish to leave this list please send the command > leave data-protection to [log in to unmask] > All user commands can be found at : - > http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/help/commandref.htm > Any queries about sending or receiving message please send to the list owner > [log in to unmask] > (all commands go to [log in to unmask] not the list please) > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > All archives of messages are stored permanently and are > available to the world wide web community at large at > http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/data-protection.html > If you wish to leave this list please send the command > leave data-protection to [log in to unmask] > All user commands can be found at : - > http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/help/commandref.htm > Any queries about sending or receiving message please send to the list owner > [log in to unmask] > (all commands go to [log in to unmask] not the list please) > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ All archives of messages are stored permanently and are available to the world wide web community at large at http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/data-protection.html If you wish to leave this list please send the command leave data-protection to [log in to unmask] All user commands can be found at : - http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/help/commandref.htm Any queries about sending or receiving message please send to the list owner [log in to unmask] (all commands go to [log in to unmask] not the list please) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^