Roland Perry said: >> >>1) they clone and clone and clone and validate their lists by absence >>of bounces >I doubt this; I bounce loads of emails (to certain addresses) and still the spam arrives, years later. [2,000 a day, currently]. Do not doubt it. This is just for those who validate the lists to sell on. The others just spam and spam and spam. There is no remedy. I come back to Permission Based Marketing and also introduce Whitelisting. But a whitelist will often list things like this email list. Or (eg) a Yahoo Group. Since the return on Spam is of the order of 0.001% it makes sense to spam a group, getting several orders of magnitude covered in one go. And here I come back to my unanswered accusation to "Nat Alia Reis" who has, as you will notice, not made ANY reply whatsoever to any comments in this group, who contributes so far precisely nothing and who sends what I perceive to be SPAM to the entire 520 or so souls on a regular basis. Cross posting the same spam to multiple groups saves time and effort, and the ROI starts to rise. 10 sent means 0.01 responses. 100 sent means 0.1 responses. 1,000 sent means one response, one ticket sold, one pack of body enhancement parts sold, one bank balance transmitted to Nigeria. This group provides just over half a person. Add FOI to it and one person buys something. Etc. And the effort is negligible. Now, if my email to this group says occasionally "I absolutely forbid any commercial messages to be sent to this email address", what then? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ All archives of messages are stored permanently and are available to the world wide web community at large at http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/data-protection.html If you wish to leave this list please send the command leave data-protection to [log in to unmask] All user commands can be found at : - http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/help/commandref.htm Any queries about sending or receiving message please send to the list owner [log in to unmask] (all commands go to [log in to unmask] not the list please) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^