Simple - if there are any objections, anonymous or not, they'll probably think it was you anyway, and so you're knackered whether you objected or not. Next question? > ---------- > From: Tim Trent[SMTP:[log in to unmask]] > Reply To: Tim Trent > Sent: 02 June 2005 15:15 > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [data-protection] Opinions sought - Planning > Applications > > Convenience notwithstanding, picture this: > > You live next door to a rather unpleasant family of chavs. They have > decided to ask for planning consent for an ENORMOUS extension that > overlooks > your property (among several other properties). > > You have long been scared of your neighbours, the more so since they have > rowdy friends visit, and party until 2am. One of them has threatened your > 10 year old daughter because she went into their front garden to get her > ball back. > > You want to object to the application which you saw posted on your > lamppost, > but you know your name will be given to the chavs next door. You fear > threats and other reprisals because of your quite reasonable objection. > > You now have a major problem: > > Do you object and risk having the bejasus beaten out of you, or do you > hope > the planning officer will see sense without your objection? > > How dies a scenario like this get solved by the local authority? > > -----Original Message----- > From: This list is for those interested in Data Protection issues > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Tim Turner > Sent: 02 June 2005 15:06 > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [data-protection] Opinions sought - Planning Applications > > I live at the edge of Manchester City Council's area. Not putting planning > applications on the web at all means that if I want to look at a planning > application, I have to pay to travel into Manchester (and as I work in > Wigan, I'll need to take time off work to do this) and go to the planning > department in normal working hours. Alternatively, I could look on a > website > at home when I have the time to think about it. Which approach allows me, > a > Manchester Council Taxpayer, greater access? I think putting planning > applications on the web increases the possibility of participation. I > think > the risks are small, and the benefits could be large. I carry no torch for > eGoverment or targets, but I do think that local government processes can > be > opaque, and any effort to widen access to them is a good thing. What we do > in local government shouldn't be accessible only to specialists. > > > ---------- > > From: Antoinette Carter[SMTP:[log in to unmask]] > > Reply To: [log in to unmask] > > Sent: 02 June 2005 14:38 > > To: [log in to unmask] > > Subject: Re: [data-protection] Opinions sought - Planning > > Applications > > > > I have a lot of sympathy with this view. The main objective of a > > transparent planning process is to allow those people affected, ie. > > the people actually living there, to have a say in proceedings. By > > that definition, all those concerned must be geographically close to > > the Town Hall for their borough. The argument that making access > > available worldwide via the Web adds any value for the borough's > > residents is weak at best, and is probably negated altogether when you > > take into account the loss of privacy, and the possible threat to > > individuals' personal safety. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: This list is for those interested in Data Protection issues > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of [log in to unmask] > > Sent: 02 June 2005 14:19 > > To: [log in to unmask] > > Subject: Re: [data-protection] Opinions sought - Planning Applications > > > > In a message dated 02/06/05 12:10:06 GMT Daylight Time, > > [log in to unmask] writes (snip): > > > > > . I would like to ask another question: what is the effect of > > > maintaining a system where access to the planning process is limited > > > to people who go to the Town Hall? > > > > ------- > > Did it not work well for a number of years before the Internet? Did > > it not actually work better than it does now? Was there not a more > > consistent approach to building? Were not the buildings themselves > > more aesthetically pleasing? > > Have councils seen an increase in applications or objections since > > planning went on-line? If not, what is the objective? > > > > It cannot achieve total popular coverage so why is it done? To > > achieve targets. Targets that were set by government in an arbitrary > fashion. > > People do not want e-government, government does. The government has > > recently issued directives to councils to force the public to use > > electronic payments, electronic applications and e-systems in general, > > by stoppping the manual (personal > > contact) alternative where possible. > > > > I have never suggested the system is closed down, nor that it does not > > present an opportunity for those with no domestic problems. What I > > object to is that councils are now being told to put the details on > > the web regardless of the wishes of the individual. This is wrong. I > > hope councils ignore the advice and actually ask people whether they > > object, then respect those wishes. > > > > Ian B > > > > Ian Buckland > > Managing Director > > Keep IT Legal Ltd > > > > Please Note: The information given above does not replace or negate > > the need for proper legal advice and/or representation. It is > > essential that you do not rely upon any advice given without contacting > your solicitor. > > If you need further explanation of any points raised please contact > > Keep I.T. 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