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The RAATE conference is coming up on the 5th December.
 
That would seem to be as good a place as anywhere to have an ad-hoc meeting  
of interested/concerned parties.
 
Perhaps you could get together after the end of the conference, although I  
realise people will have trains/planes to catch, etc.
 
Just a thought,
 
Geoff.
 
 
 
In a message dated 26/10/2005 17:52:41 GMT Daylight Time,  
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Jeremy I  share your concerns especially the one about being hung. :)
There is little  doubt that things need to be brought back to an 
individualised needs led  approach.
Guy
At 18:09 26/10/2005, you wrote:


I am probably going to be hung,  drawn and quartered for saying this 
but consequent to the publishing of  these various related telecare 
strategies, there has sprung up a  veritable industry of consultancies 
offering enterprise-wide  implementation solutions. Suddenly all the 
specialist expertise appears  to be focussed on mangement-level 
rather than client implementation  issues - cart before horse or 
what!!!!!! I have a real concern that  there are significant conflicts of 
interest developing here and that the  needs of the severely disabled, 
in particular, are going to be lost in  the process. I really feel that the 
AT commmunity  has to mobilise,  big-time, and get the focus back 
onto individual client needs and  aspirations.

Jeremy

> I can't decide whether to get het up  or not about the (deliberate?)
> restriction of the term assistive  technology to describe the bits of
> kit the government currently find  sexy and, unlike most AT, an easy
> pill to swallow.
> 
>  In 2001 FAST worked with a wide coalition of groups to agree on a
>  definition which could accommodate old and new forms of technology
>  (from bath hoists to virtual reality tools) and encompass new  service
> models (such as remote support using telecare) without  requiring
> amendment to any associated legislation or regulation. In  deciding not
> to use this (admittedly) wide definition which has an  emphasis on
> independence I wonder whether it is not more profitable  to see what
> government reveals by its determination to use a  health-centric
> definition.
> 
> My conclusion is that 1)  the department of health is struggling to
> maintain an overview and  strategy in relation to assistive technology
> 2) is concerned that if  the magic pill of telecare/ telehealth is put
> into the obvious  context of assistive technology then it will be
> forced to consider  issues such as workforce development (specifically
> national  occupational standards) which are required by the whole AT
> industry,  and 3) is talking to manufacturers and suppliers who do not
> want to  position telecare as one element of an independence
> infrastructure  which must be integrated with other AT services and
> sustainable over  time. Where is the professional body or coalition of
> voluntary  sector organisations who is raising these issues?  
> 
>  While there is some concern about the Department's confusion/
>  confusing misuse of the term assistive technology, I'm even more
>  concerned about the attitudes and lack of knowledge that lies behind
>  it. 
> 
> What to do though? I'm not sure. 
> 
>  Keren Down, FAST
> 
> ----- Original Message -----  
>   From: Judge Simon 
>   To:  [log in to unmask] 
>   Sent: Wednesday, October 26,  2005 9:05 AM
>   Subject: Re: EAT Sidelined again
>  
> 
>   Interesting - I had a brief email or two with  one of the authors
>   regarding AT and if (what we define  as) AT software was relevant to
>   their report.  I  hypothesised that it should be.
> 
>   Their opinion  was that it wasn't and that they had a different
>    definition of AT 
> 
>   "as in the Audit Commission  Report "Assistive Technology -
>   Independence and  well-being" and is closely associated with Telecare
>   in  the home." 
> 
>   I argued that Telecare was a subset  of AT, not t'other way around -
>   the 'version' of AT that  they were interested in for the report was 
> 
>    "that sub-set of Assistive Technology which assists  healthcare
>   delivery or decreases or postpones the need  for healthcare. "
> 
>   I'll have a read...
>  
>   Cheers
> 
>   Simon
>  
>   Clinical Scientist
>    ACT
>   0121 627 1627 ex 53245 
> 
>    -----Original Message-----
>   From: A discussion list for  Assistive Technology professionals.
>   [_ mailto:[log in to unmask] (mailto:[log in to unmask]) ] 
On Behalf Of Gary  Derwent Sent: 25
>   October 2005 20:47 To:  [log in to unmask] Subject: EAT
>   Sidelined  again
> 
> 
>   I was disappointed to see that a  recent report entitled "The Impact
>   of e-Health and  Assistive Technologies on Healthcare" did not seem
>   to  mention communication aids, environmental controls or  nearly
>   anything else that I think people on this list  would consider
>   Assistive Technologies. (I say 'didn't  seem to' because I haven't
>   yet waded through the entire  75 page tome, but a quick electronic
>   search of the pdf  document didn't throw anything up.
> 
>   Admittedly  the group that produced the report is predominantly from
>    a Health Informatics perspective but it still annoys me to see  the
>   term assistive technology used without mention of  AAC or EC. Yet
>   again the telecare agenda obliterates  everything else.
> 
>   Also, on an extensive list of  contributers in the appendix, only two
>   names were  vaguely familiar to me from the EAT world. I'm going to
>    contact the authors to let them know what I think. I've got half  a
>   toe in the Health Informatics world myself and  generally think it's
>   a great field, but they've made a  pigs ear of this one.
> 
>   Anyway,...I just felt  like a rant after leafing through it...thanks
>   for  listening !!!
> 
>   If you'd like a look its here  :
> 
>   _http://www.health-informatics.org/tehip/tehipstudy.htm_ 
(http://www.health-informatics.org/tehip/tehipstudy.htm) 
>  
>   Cheers
> 
>   Gary
>  
> 
>   Gary Derwent
>   Compass  Electronic Assistive Technology Service
>   Royal Hospital  for Neuro-disability
> 
> 



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