John, You are not alone: our Renal Unit also uses PROTON and we only release results to it which have been both technically and clinically authorised. The results are sent to PROTON once per day at about 10pm with our GPLINKS download. If results are required more urgently they are telephoned or renal staff can look them up on our web results browser (Revive). We experienced a few problems when our TelePath/PROTON link was set up e.g. PROTON would not accept < (less than) results. Regards, Wayne Bradbury. Mr. W.H. Bradbury Consultant Biochemist Cumberland Infirmary CARLISLE CA2 7HY Telephone: 01228 814521 Facsimilie: 01228 814831 E-mail: [log in to unmask] >>> "O'Connor John (Royal Devon and Exeter Foundation Trust)" <[log in to unmask]> 25/01/05 10:38:06 >>> This email is directed at labs which send their results to PROTON a renal information system used by 50% of Renal Units in the UK. We are under immense pressure to release non clinically validated results directly into this system, so that patients can be discharged promptly. We do pick up quite a few errors at clinical approval for example discrepant Creatinine and Urea results that can be seen on the cumulative view of serial results that usually turn out to be mislabelled samples or other mix ups. But we also pick up problems that are not immediately obvious when the samples are technically validated, for example poorly clotted samples that cause partial probe blocks etc. Ok its not true clinical validation as such, but it is a reality check that generally picks up 2 or 3 errors a week Our renal physicians tell us we are the only laboratory in the UK who continue to clinically validate renal unit patient results and delay them going into PROTON, ? is this true. I am always interested in how remote systems handle path data, so I duly spent a morning reviewing our results on it, the experience was worrying. I sent a text message as a specimen comment saying "PLEASE IGNORE THESE RESULTS THEY ARE RUBBISH" on a test patient where I generated Potassium of 7.9 mmol/L. It appears that PROTON has no way of conveying specimen related information to you when you are reviewing results which is a significant omission from the system. Also I noted that if an amended result is sent from Pathology the change is made in PROTON but there is no way the change can be alerted to anyone using the system. So any clinical action taken on the first set of results will almost certainly not be questioned. Possible the worst feature of PROTON that I noticed was the lack of showing any normal ranges. Given that PROTON is aggregating results produced from different laboratories using different normal ranges; trends in the data that probably don't exist appear to the reviewer. Anyhow thoughts and experiences that relate to this system would be welcome Thanks John ------ACB discussion List Information-------- This is an open discussion list for the academic and clinical community working in clinical biochemistry. Please note, archived messages are public and can be viewed via the internet. Views expressed are those of the individual and they are responsible for all message content. ACB Web Site http://www.acb.org.uk List Archives http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/ACB-CLIN-CHEM-GEN.html List Instructions (How to leave etc.) http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/ ------ACB discussion List Information-------- This is an open discussion list for the academic and clinical community working in clinical biochemistry. Please note, archived messages are public and can be viewed via the internet. Views expressed are those of the individual and they are responsible for all message content. ACB Web Site http://www.acb.org.uk List Archives http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/ACB-CLIN-CHEM-GEN.html List Instructions (How to leave etc.) http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/