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Hmmmmmm, I seem to have ruffled a few feathers. Stimulating stuff I must say. I have endeavoured to be courteous in my previous posts,despite being rather forthright in my opinions. We all have strong opinions about one thing or another as some of you have demonstrated. all I ask is that you would show me a little courtesy. Yes,I have more than a passing interest in Theology,but I don't think that is a good reason to shoot the messenger just because you may not like the message. I am interested in Predestination, or more to the understanding, Predestination/Double Predestination. Oh,and Marcus,the david riddell that you refer to, is NOT me. I hope I haven't disappointed you. Now,if you will excuse me,I will endeavour to write a little poetry and read the latest posts regarding poetry on this excellent website. goodnight. dR