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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture I believe the topic was "water at Moissac." And you did express an opinion, which I'm delighted you've either forgotten or abandoned ;-) MG -- Christopher Crockett <[log in to unmask]> wrote: medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture From: Marjorie Greene <[log in to unmask]> > Last time I checked med-art, you were denying rather vigorously that the tympanum at Moissac was apocalyptic in theme and had a rather large fit at the suggestion that the "glassy sea" of "Holy, Holy, Holy" (inspired by Rev.) was depicted there. Have you changed your mind? mmmm.... you talkin to *me* ?? well, a young fellow can certainly change his mind, esp. if pressed. or, in a pinch, deny either ever having had one or expressing an opinion using it. specifically, i don't recall expressing an opinion about the iconography of the Moissac typmpanum, on Medart or anywhere else, even though, being most Fundamentally Clueless about the subject, i would certainly qualify myself to do that --and to defending it rather vigorously, with or without fits, large or small, as necessity required. off the top of my pointy head, it sure do *look* rather Apopscalyptiscalistic : http://vrcoll.fa.pitt.edu/medart/image/France/Moissac/abbey/porch/Tympanum/moisptymp.html there's Whatsisname amongst the four winged Beasts http://vrcoll.fa.pitt.edu/medart/image/France/Moissac/abbey/porch/Tympanum/Moissac-Portal-tymp-001-s.jpg in the presence of the 24 Elders holding their viols, cups, whatnot and wherewithal http://vrcoll.fa.pitt.edu/medart/image/France/Moissac/abbey/porch/Tympanum/Moissac-Portal-tymp-012-s.jpg what else could it be? clue me. otOh, you, MG, among others, should have caught my error in listing Etampes among portals inspired by the BoR --although it partially is, but perhaps only in the archivolts, where the Elders appear. and my ommissive sin of leaving out suchlike places as Beaulieu[-en-Dordogne, i believe it is] and Conques in my very incomplete list of "romanesque" portals inspired by the BoR. i figured i could afford to be careless with that list since my point was that one could compile a pretty good stack of examples, most all from the second and third quarter of the 12th c. clearly *some*thing was going on, Millennial-wise, around that time, in South-Central and Central France, it seems to me. we (I) tend to think of middlevil iconographic programs as being "eternal" --and, of course, they are. in a sense. but, i've been playing around with the idea for quite a while now that they --or at least some of them, esp. early on-- might have been a hellofa lot more time and place *specific* than is dreampt of in our Philosophies. a good, solid, Loin-Melting Tsunami of Pure Fear passing through those particular regions of France in those particular decades might go a long ways towards explaining the real context behind these rather bizarre, sci-fi-like Visual Manifestations, which are (nearly) all that remain of the Reality of ces temps la. Landes would know. but, he's not telling. c ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html ________________________________________________________________ NetZero Gift Certificates Give the gift of Internet access this holiday season. http://www.netzero.com/give ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html