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John: You may be generally or even specifically right in your analysis. However, again, what do you mean by fundamentalists? I would argue that many so-called liberals are just as much influenced by written or unwritten codes as even the most rigid religious fundamentalist: they just think their points of view are good and right and True (in the sense of being "really" true, not like those deluded others...). I believe (as I hope and expect you do as well) that there ARE certain beliefs or values that are absolutely true: for example, that men and women are equal. Or that racial hatred is wrong. Or that chattel slavery is absolutely and always wrong. Aren't these simply examples of a "narrow view" that holds that only one way of looking at something is right? Of course they are and yet you and I (I expect) would agree that they are important truths that need to be supported and advanced. The argument that the world view of certain groups is narrow is not particularly useful in my mind since that is a statement that any one identifiable group can make about another identifiable group. What might be more useful -- I don't know -- might be to see what values so-called fundamentalists and so-called broad-thinkers have in common.... Timothy Lillie, PhD Associate Professor The University of Akron Zook Hall 322 Akron OH 55325-4205 330-972-6746 (voice) 330-972-5209 (fax -----Original Message----- From: John Homan [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 10:24 PM To: Lillie,Timothy H; [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Nine Lies of Fahrenheit 9/11; What Really Happened? America's Broken Treaties with Native Indians Dear Timothy, Being a fundamentalist does not diminish a person's worth, nor her or his ability to contribute to society. What it does mean is that her or his view of the world is a rather narrow one: They believe that their truth is the only truth, their reality is the only reality. It can be said that they are code ethics people. have a good weekend rgds John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lillie,Timothy H" <[log in to unmask]> To: "John Homan" <[log in to unmask]>; <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 12:22 AM Subject: RE: Nine Lies of Fahrenheit 9/11; What Really Happened? America's Broken Treaties with Native Indians What do you mean by "fundamentalism"? I ask this term is used generally as term of opprobrium or as a means of delegitimzing the critique one does not wish to consider. For example: Islamic fundamentalists or Christian fundamentalists are cartoonish figures in the eyes of most, with little consideration or understanding of them as persons. The reality is that even (most) fundamentalists are peaceful people whose view of what constitutes right living differs from what most of us think of as right living. They love their children and pay their taxes; they try to live by the rules they know and so on. Let us instead focus on the powers that manipulate fundamentalists, not on the people themselves.... Timothy Lillie, PhD Associate Professor The University of Akron Zook Hall 322 Akron OH 55325-4205 330-972-6746 (voice) 330-972-5209 (fax -----Original Message----- From: The Disability-Research Discussion List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of John Homan Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 7:56 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Nine Lies of Fahrenheit 9/11; What Really Happened? America's Broken Treaties with Native Indians I am glad you asked Colin, No, I do not think it appropriate. Not because I do not think that your issues don't matter, or that raising awareness is not a valid objective; I do. I think it inappropriate because it implies that your priorities have more worth and urgency than those of others. I believe that this attitude that "my value base is more valid/ important than yours" has a smell of arrogance and elitism about it. I believe it disrespectful of others. Let me add that anything approaching fundamentalism scares the hell out of me. Respectfully, John ----- Original Message ----- From: "ColRevs" <[log in to unmask]> To: "John Homan" <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 7:11 PM Subject: Re: Nine Lies of Fahrenheit 9/11; What Really Happened? America's Broken Treaties with Native Indians > > > John, should this email be a 'high-priority' to educate others about > 'the-truth'? > > America's Broken Treaties with Native Indians; > A Lesson for North Korea; > Lee Wha Rang, January 26, 2003 > > > "They made us many promises, more than I can remember, but they never > kept but one; they promised to take our land, and they took it." -- > Red Cloud, Oglala Sioux > > See link at:- http://www.kimsoft.com/2003/forked_tongues.htm > > Best Wishes > > Colin R > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Homan" <[log in to unmask]> > To: "ColRevs" <[log in to unmask]>; > <[log in to unmask]> > Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 3:55 AM > Subject: Re: Nine Lies of Fahrenheit 9/11; What Really Happened? > > > > Dear Colin, > > > > you forgot to make your message 'high priority'! > > > > rgds John > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "ColRevs" <[log in to unmask]> > > To: <[log in to unmask]> > > Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 6:18 AM > > Subject: Re: Nine Lies of Fahrenheit 9/11; What Really Happened? > > > > > > > http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Colin R > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ ____ > > > This email and all attachments have been scanned by Kingston > > Communications' > > > email Anti-Virus service and no known viruses were detected. > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ ____ > > > > > > ________________End of message______________________ > > > > > > Archives and tools for the Disability-Research Discussion List are > > > now located at: > > > > > > www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/disability-research.html > > > > > > You can JOIN or LEAVE the list from this web page. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________End of message______________________ Archives and tools for the Disability-Research Discussion List are now located at: www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/disability-research.html You can JOIN or LEAVE the list from this web page. ________________End of message______________________ Archives and tools for the Disability-Research Discussion List are now located at: www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/disability-research.html You can JOIN or LEAVE the list from this web page.