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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture --- Marjorie Greene <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and > culture > > Unless I have my Mass parts all mixed up, one of the prefaces > contains the grotesque phrase: "...the victim whose death has > reconciled us to yourself." Far be it from me to contradict so famous an authority as Marjorie Greene, but you do have your Mass parts all mixed up. This is not from a preface, but from the body of the Third Eucharistic Prayer, which is not part of my remit. If it were part of my remit, I should point out that the Latin is, "agnoscens Hostiam, cuius voluisti immolatione placari" - more literally, "recognising the Victim, by whose sacrifice you have willed to be placated." The exisiting translation, as so often, takes away God's initiative. It regularly omits phrases like "You have wished" or "You were pleased" or "You have deigned," making it appear that these things happened without God showing any great interest in the matter. These things the Vatican has asked us to reform; and so we shall. One point however: I am not seeking to plug the new translation, but to take the opportnity to discuss parts of the Mass which are of some antiquity, thus observing the purpose of this list: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture. The Third Eucharistic Prayer is a modern composition, and I had not intended to mention it, except where it may happen to draw on ancient or medieval texts. Bill. ===== ____________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html