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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture If you're looking at _Missarum Sollemnia_ in English translation, Bill, you are looking at a text was never updated from one of his earlier editions (2nd? ca.1950?). In the final German edition (4th? ca.1962?), published just prior to the Council, Jungmann considerably updated and expanded several sections, including the treatment of the Embolism. I haven't looked at that edition in 30 years and don't have access to it here. Sorry to tell you I no longer recall what he said there. Perhaps someone on the list does have access to that edition and can comment further on what Jungmann says on the history. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill East" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 2:40 AM Subject: Re: [M-R] Preface (6) > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture > > > > > My knowledge of Latin liturgy has not been updated since the early > > 1960s > > when I recall that the word Embolism was used for the prayer which > > followed > > the Pater Noster.... "Libera nos, Domine, quaesumus, ab omnibus > > malis.... > > etc." So I am not familiar with the term as applied to something > > inserted > > into the Prefatio. > > Respondeo: > > No more am I, but it is the term employed by Ward and Johnson, and > serves well enough. As to the embolism more usually so-called, that is > the Libera nos, it occurs to me that I am woefully ignorant concerning > the details of its composition and introduction into the Latin Mass. > Neither Jungmann nor Gregory Dix mention it, at least in their indices. > The Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church however says: "...Many > Eastern liturgies have a similar prayer at this point." I did not know > this. Fr Ambrose has supplied us with one from the Assyrian Liturgy; > does anybody know of any others? > > Bill. > > > > ===== > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" > your friends today! Download Messenger Now > http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html > > ********************************************************************** > To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME > to: [log in to unmask] > To send a message to the list, address it to: > [log in to unmask] > To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion > to: [log in to unmask] > In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: > [log in to unmask] > For further information, visit our web site: > http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html > ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html