medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture Does anybody know: (1) If this is the same St Richard? (2) Is the attribution correct? (3) What is the original text of the prayer - presumably in Latin? Can answer the first two points. Yes this is the same Richard and yes, this is his prayer. I learnt this prayer in my schooldays in Portsmouth some 50 years ago. I am afraid I do not know it in Latin nor where the original is to be found. Respondeo: The reason I ask these things is that prayers have a way of being foisted on saints. For example, the familiar "Prayer of St Francis" ("Where there is despair, may I bring hope" etc.) is a modern composition with no connexion to St Francis; I think it occurs for the first time on a ninetenth-century holy picture, and has only become well known during the past thirty years or so. This is true: look in any older book of popular prayers, and you will find the "Prayer of St Richard" and the "Prayer of St Ignatius" but not the "Prayer of St Francis. I certainly did not learn it in my schooldays. There is, so far as I know, no Italian orginal. If there were, it would be a major document in early Italian philology, as is his "Canticle of Brother Sun". Now with the greatest of respect, the fact that Brenda learnt "The prayer of St Richard" in her schooldays (as did I) does not mean that it is correctly attributed to St Richard. If it does derive from St Richard, there is surely a Latin original, or else the early Middle English original would be a document of some philological interest. Can anyone shed light upon the matter? Bill. ===== ____________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html