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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture Dear Janelle, Quite an interesting compilation! I don't know the origins of any of them except the first: Guibert of Nogent's Autobiography, Book I:11 (p. 59 of the Benton edition). Best of luck with the others, -Nancy Caciola History, UCSD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janelle Werner" <[log in to unmask]> To: "Nancy Caciola" <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 12:36 PM Subject: elusive quotations medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture Fellow medievalists, I'm trying to find the origins of a few quotations, and I'm hoping they might be familiar to you. For most, I have the author, and I just need a source (preferably English-language, and a secondary source would be just fine). For others, I don't even have an author. I'd appreciate leads on any or all! Thanks, Janelle Werner [log in to unmask] "The archbishopric of Reims would be a good thing if only one didn't have to sing Mass because of it." Attributed to Archbishop Manasses of Reims, 11th century. "They devoted themselves to all kinds of debauchery and allowed their womenfolk to spend whole nights at wild parties; they mixed with trashy people and drank the most delicious wines." A cleric describing crusaders, 12th century. "It's no wonder that the Christians suffer losses from Saracens, rats, and locusts, when they neglect to pay their church dues properly." Another cleric, also C12, on why the Crusaders were losing ground. "A doleful cup of bitterness." Pope Nicholas IV, describing the fall of Acre in 1291. On the crusading orders: "going in war to fight, and returning in peace to rest and pray, so that they behave like knights in battle and like monks in cloister." I thought this was Bernard of Clairvaux, "In praise of the new militia," but I couldn't find it there. On Louis VII of France: "a very Christian king, if somewhat simple-minded." I've no clue on this one. "Plato and Socrates may often contend, / And all the breath within their bodies spend, / Engaged in disputations without end. / What's that to me? / For only with a pure and simple mind / Can one the narrow path to heaven find, / And greet the King; while lingers far behind, / Philosophy." I thought this was Jacapone da Todi, but perhaps it's another Franciscan. And, lastly, "There is nothing better for us than to follow the teachings of the Apostles and the Gospels. We must follow these precepts instead of inventing new ones or propounding new doctrine or vainly seeking to increase our own fame by the discovery of newfangled ideas." Alcuin. ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: join medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: leave medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion.html