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The European Working Time Directive allows for a 20 min break whereas the New Deal says 30 mins. I'm not sure about the 1 hr break. Anyway I've already asked the question and they are given paid breaks..... nursing staff as you pointed out are not paid for breaks. This is likely to cause some friction in the ranks over the next few years. Every hour has to be accounted for. So as the SHOs are paid to attend teaching sessions.... if they don't turn up then they are allocated a shift in A&E. They are not paid to attend if on nights. If they have a valid reason for not attending that can be agreed in advance. Alas Morecambe Bay is a pilot site for this. Ray McGlone ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrian Fogarty" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 2:23 PM Subject: Re: SHO hours > That makes sense, Andrew, and fits with the European view that any time > resident on site should be considered working time. I, for one, don't relish > the ideas of my SHOs going AWOL even for half and hour during their shift. I > like to keep them under a close reign even during their breaks! > > Adrian Fogarty > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andrew Hobart" <[log in to unmask]> > To: <[log in to unmask]> > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 10:17 AM > Subject: Re: SHO hours > > > Nurses and junior doctors are paid on a different basis. For junior > > doctors they are paid for all hours on duty including natural breaks. > > Nurses hours specifically exclude their breaks which I guess is why they > > are so keen to get them. > > I have always assumed that this was the justification for standard full > > time hours for nursing being 37 hours and for doctors being 40 hours > > > > Andrew Hobart > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Accident and Emergency Academic List > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Rowley Cottingham > > Sent: 22 January 2004 21:08 > > To: [log in to unmask] > > Subject: SHO hours > > > > According to the junior doctors' handbook, a junior must have a > > restbreak of 30 minutes after every > > 4 hours, and so in an 8 hour shift is entitled to a 30 minute rest break > > and in a 9 hour shift a 1 hour > > break. > > > > Therefore, if a junior is rostered for a 9 hour shift (say 8 to 17) they > > are paid for and work (so far as > > the New Deal is concerned) 8 hours. That is, exactly the same rationale > > as nursing shifts. Correct? > > > > I ask because currently our juniors are being paid band 2a as the > > average week is 48-50 hours which > > will fall to 1a and 43-45hours if we are not paying them for rest > > periods. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Rowley Cottingham > > > > [log in to unmask] > > Visit the new and improved http://www.emergencyunit.com >