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I really appreciate, Michael's confluence of metaphors. Upstream is where the salmon spawn, where you want to be when you're missing your paddle, and where the waste is dumped. Roger > Your problem, Toby, is that you, like me, are far too far downstream, and in > my case over the hill, to be in on street language. > > __________________________________________________________________ > Michael Kenward / Phone: +44 (0)1444 400568 Fax: 401064 > / > Science Writer & Stuff / Genetically modified words for sale > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: psci-com: on the public understanding of science > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Dr Toby Murcott > Sent: 01 September 2004 16:11 > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [PSCI-COM] See-through science > > Ah... Illumination! > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Dr Toby Murcott e-mail: [log in to unmask] > Ketoe Communications tel: +44 (0)117 971 2594 > PO Box 2168 mob: +44 (0)7870 272 554 > Bristol http://www.ketoe.co.uk/Tobymain.htm > BS99 3LZ > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: psci-com: on the public understanding of science > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Chris Stokes > Sent: 01 September 2004 16:01 > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [PSCI-COM] See-through science > > > Toby Murcott writes, > >> The request for translation was not of the Demos report but the >> incomprehensible blurb that was in the email. "Public engagement is >> about to move upstream." > > Ah, I see. Not completely ignorant, no, just not quite with it! It's all the > rage in the right circles, as you'll see from the report. Even Lord > Sainsbury of Turdville has claimed, 'We have learnt that it is necessary > with major technologies to ensure that the debate takes place "upstream", as > new areas emerge in the scientific and technological development process.' > See note 16. I'll believe the venerable Lord when I see hard evidence of his > learning, but the word's in circulation, no doubt of that. > > Chris > -- > > Chris Stokes > > ********************************************************************** > > 1. To suspend yourself from the list, whilst on leave, for example, send an > email to [log in to unmask] with the following message: > > set psci-com nomail > > 2. To resume email from the list, send the following message: > > set psci-com mail > > 3. To leave psci-com, send an email to [log in to unmask] with the > message: > > leave psci-com > > 4. 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