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sorry to those who are really sick of this discussion and for my stubbornness. i think it is true that what ken has done is perceived by only certain members as wrong (and, for me, as forgivable). if david and keith's formal address can serve as a guide, the community is split in half in opinion on the issue. as it stands, let's say half of the members believe what ken has done is wonderful,it then seems to me that this discussion list would likely have more 'cindys' in the future. this would then not be a list that i am interested in and i would be very happy to leave and would not get in the way of a Halloween party. it is important (at least to me) for the list owners to clarify the issue. i have asked the list owners to show some leadership because to me the resolution reads more like a summary of what people have said to them. it is without the kind of authority or clarity that is often exhibited in messages sent by them as list owners. i am unable to read in the resolution what the list owners really think. and what they really think is the most important. please respond publicly. rosan Ronald Sasso wrote: > > Totally agree with rob.... i really don´t understand what is the big deal some are doing about this.... I thought ken was funny and even creative with his cindy act.... > > Ken: your are still welcome to come visit.... > > Ronald Sasso > Presidente Ejecutivo > Universidad Veritas > San José, Costa Rica > > Telefono (506) 283-4747 > http://www.uveritas.ac.cr > > -----Mensaje original----- > De: PhD-Design - This list is for discussion of PhD studies and related research in Design [mailto:[log in to unmask]] En nombre de Rob Curedale > Enviado el: Miércoles, 15 de Diciembre de 2004 07:26 p.m. > Para: [log in to unmask] > Asunto: Re: Alan Sokal's Thoughts > > Group, > > I think that the problem was not that Cindy's contributions to the list > fell outside of the bounds of what Ken saw as acceptable behaviour but > that Ken's behaviour fell outside what some members of the group see as > acceptable behaviour. > > Personally I was not much offened by Ken's charade. Life is more fun if > it is not entirely predictable. > > Ken Friedman says: > "At the same time, nothing in Cindy's > contributions to the list took place outside the bounds of what I saw as > acceptable behavior." > > ______________________________ > > R o b C u r e d a l e > Professor, Chair Product Design > College for Creative Studies Detroit > 201 East Kirby > Detroit MI 48202-4034 > > Phone: 313 664 7625 > Fax: 313 664 7620 > email: [log in to unmask] > http://www.ccscad.edu > ______________________________