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It's nice to know that Ken and I are in such agreement. But the substantive issue remains and that is that > our own research certainly flourishes in ways that I do not think > would be possible in academia. But that is because there are > structural systemic features in academia that would inhibit our type > of research, even if academia was well funded. And, following Ken's contribution, I would add that I believe this would remain the case even if I was working in one of the research universities… > that tend to generate a rich combination of basic, applied, and > clinical research, often in partnerships and networks with other > universities and with industry. I may be wrong, but as some of our research is in the public domain, you can make up your own mind about whether or not you think it could have flourished in the way it has, if it had been done in a university. And that brings me back to Jon Allen's original question about where the leading design research is being done. Jon, in so far as research is about formulating the right type of question to ask, I think the fact that you are asking that particular question puts you in a leading position among design researchers. David