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dear Rosan, five italian intellectuals - Andrea Branzi, Vico Magistretti, Enzo Mari, Alessandro Mendini and Ettore Sottsass - met lately to talk about design. here's a part of their discussion: "Alessandro Mendini: [...] Ettore, your Memphis was also a place of knowledge. Ettore Sottsass: Our Memphis. We were always drunk... we had the problem of breaking the cultural knot of the middle class. Memphis started off after ten years of talking about the social utility of our profession. Memphis and counter-design were shouts invoking change." (i don't know what Sottsass refered to exactly by saying "We were always drunk...", but the 'state of being drunk' was constructive in this case...) Reference: Sottsass, E., et al, 2004. In the World of Objects. Domus, number 869, pp 22-37. Regards, Fatina Saikaly PhD candidate in Industrial Design Politecnico di Milano ------------------- Rosan wrote: it is funny that you mentioned this. my roommate likes to call me a bum all the time because i don't have a job. on the way to a supermarket, i often pass by a bunch of bums drinking beer and hanging out in a park. and i am often tempted to join them. i want to know what they think of the intellectuals. Ken Friedman wrote: I like to drink beer. I like to engage in research. I do not confuse the two. If you confuse drinking beer with the process that leads to research, you will find yourself among the millions of unemployed beer drinkers rather than the far smaller group of employed design research specialists or the small but growing group of working designers with research skills.