"She is an adult and responsible for her own actions" Greta restates this commonly held view. Please do not take this personally Greta but so often when I have heard others utter this statement, it as a way of washing one's hands and avoiding responsibility. For those who make accusations against "nanny state", for those who declare such mottos as "buyer beware", the statement is legitimate. It lies with a particular culture and view of the world. I must say that personally I feel uneasy with such a view. For me, it echoes the 19th century concept of "occupational hazard" which people can choose to take on or leave the industry. If they decided to stay, they accepted that they had no claim against the employer. We are all aware of people who are prepared to place themselves at harm, sometimes for the sake of extra money, sometimes to increase job security, sometimes to increase chances of re-employment, and sometimes because they love the job. I believe that organizations which benefit from people's needs (even if they are not consciously and callously using the situation) have responsibilities. I accept that this is a view. Kevin Kevin MAGUIRE BSc BA MSc CPsychol MCIEH, Senior Lecturer, Environmental Health and Safety Management, The School of Property and Construction, The Nottingham Trent University, Burton Street, Nottingham NG1 4BU, United Kingdom. Telephone ++44 (0)115 848 2603 This e-mail is intended solely for the addressee. It may contain private or confidential information. If you are not the intended addressee, you must take no action on it nor show a copy to anyone. Please reply to this e-mail to highlight the error. Opinions and information in this e-mail which do not relate to the business of The Nottingham Trent University shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by the university. -----Original Message----- From: Greta Thornbory [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: 22 March 2004 23:22 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Locum workers. This is a personnel problem. It is only an occupational health problem if her sickness is caused by her work or her work is affecting her health. We can gently remind personnel of their duty under the working Time Regs, but it is really up to them. The lack of contract is a breach of employment legislation and again a personnel issue. I would suggest she sees her union rep - as you work for local government this is probably Unison. It appears that she is not expected to do all this work, but that she chooses to do it. She is an adult and responsible for her own actions. Greta ----- Original Message ----- From: Susan Harrison-Stone <mailto:[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 2:48 PM Subject: Locum workers. As a referral I was asked to see a woman employed as a dom. care worker in a very rural area. She had been off sick for a year and was now back at work. She has worked for the organisation for some years without a contract but doing around 25hrs./week. As you can guess once taking on a client she wishes to maintain that care. Many of her clients in such a rural area will be known to her over a long time. Now because of staff shortages, sicknesses etc she is doing up to and over 37hrs spread over 7 days with first appt. of the day at 07.30 and last at 21.00. She has no days off a week and works every evening putting 'her' clients back to bed. She does not have 11hrs off at night before starting again the next morn. Now I understand that she has no contract and could refuse some of this but she wont as there does not seem to be anyone able to take over from her except other carers who are doing the same anyway. Personnel say it is her problem as she can knock this work load back just as we can if we do agency work but I wonder do we have a duty of care to her and is it reasonable for her manager to put her in this position? Any thought please? Sue ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please remove this footer before replying. Visit http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/occ-health.html for list archives --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.637 / Virus Database: 408 - Release Date: 20/03/2004 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please remove this footer before replying. Visit http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/occ-health.html for list archives ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please remove this footer before replying. Visit http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/occ-health.html for list archives