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Dear all The prescribing debate has been around a while and I would agree with Diane that it does seem to be more of an issue for the NHS than non NHS - which leads me to the question, why? Why should the NHS be different to non NHS? There are enormous differences in the environments we all work in. There is a huge difference between manufacturing engineering and an investment bank, between regulatory organisations and a healthcare setting. BUT, without fail, all these places have the following - an employee population who usually require some sort of assessment before they start working there - employees who sometimes need regular health assessment as they might be exposed to damaging substances or work in safety critical situations - even investment banks can have facilities and catering staff. - have an HR and management community that require advice because some employees go off sick for a variety of reasons - have a whole range of other issues which we advise about in relation to health and work. Having worked in NHS and non NHS, I can't see a reason why we should prescribe anything, because I can't see a reason for us to treat anything other than the most basic condition which should be covered by PGDs. At present, our skills lie elsewhere. In order to prescribe, we would be crossing a fundamental line in our role from adviser to provider of treatment. If (god forbid) we are going to be the first line providers of sicknotes in the future, then it could be logical step for us to provide treatment to combat the reason for the sickness. But this is taking us into the realms of the GP and is a huge step to take. When viewed in terms of clinical value to an employee and clinical competence of the nurse prescriber, it may be right to develop our skills in this direction. When viewed in economic terms, particularly regarding the level of OH resource in the UK, it is a massive issue. However it should be an issue for either all of us, or for individual organisations, not neces sarily just for certain sectors of industry and commerce. Thanks Lindsey Hall Head of Nursing Services AXA PPP Healthcare ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane Romano-Woodward" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 6:51 AM Subject: nurse prescribing > I get the feeling this is more of an issue for NHS OH department than > elsewhere. > I did note that one of the job requirements for the Nurse Consultant post in > Stoke on Trent was the posession of ,or willingness to undertake the Nurse > Prescibing Course. > > I know I attended a lecture by Jan Maw at the AOHNP Synposium in 2003 where > this was dicussed thouroughly-and I think the general consensus there was > that PGDs could cover pretty well everything that most OH nurses needed, and > that one would have to learn and maintain expertise about a lot of drugs > that one would not be likely to prescibe(except perhaps for personnal > use!) > > I think for many of us ther would be difficulty in having the appropriate > medical support while undertaking the training (am I correct in saying that > one has ot identify a medic to oversee/asssit during the course) > > Having said that I would find it quite a challenge and think that employers > might perceive it to be of benefit. I would like to hear what was involved > and if you found it relvant. My concern is that there would be pressure from > management (in the non-nhs sector) to be a mini GP and prescribe for the > coughs and colds, to reduce sickness absence..or to reduce absence by > reducing the need to visit GP by providing prescriptions for on going > treatments. > An interesting topic- > > And with regards to skin .. where i am currently working (a university) we > can refer directly to a skin specialist , however I had not considered that > we might set up a PGD for skin care products.. > > With regards to the varicella PGD- try the drug rep- i got a disc last year > with a lot of PGDs on, but i am not sure if the was one for varicella... > > BW > > Diane > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself with cool new emoticons http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/myemo > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Please remove this footer before replying. > > For list archives and documents, go to > http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/occ-health.html for list archives > > For jobs in Occupational Health, go to > http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/OHJobs/ > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please remove this footer before replying. For list archives and documents, go to http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/occ-health.html for list archives For jobs in Occupational Health, go to http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/OHJobs/