I would be very interested in learning more about the course you have just completed. Congratulations by the way. Do you have any details and also any details about Occupational Health Courses in general.
Many thanks Lisa
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Dear ListI was beginning to wonder where this was all leading. From a nurse working inNHS OH with no qualification except ENB N61 and 3 yrs experience, it seemed for a while that the whole issue of OH nursing was being lost in 'titles'. Whilst I have every respect for those who are fortunate to be Specialist Practitioners - and there are many more of us out there that would like to be - let's not lose sight of the fact that there are a good many nurses working in OH that have proven skills and expertise but do not have a piece of paper to prove it. My initial question was about the recognition given to the ENB N61, about which I received many replies - thank you. I recently achieved a merit award for the ARTP/BTS Certificate in Spirometry but wonder whether all the effort will be recognised by a prospective employer or will it be just another certificate that means not a lot. Incidentally, if anybody has comtemplated doing this course, I would highly recommend it. Hard work and very time consuming but anything to ensure standards are consistent can only be positive.Christine~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please remove this footer before replying. Visit http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/occ-health.html for list archives----- Original Message -----From: [log in to unmask]">Neil and PaulSent: Friday, May 14, 2004 6:59 PMSubject: Re: Specialist practitionerDear List, If that is what you felt I was saying you are most definately wrong!! I was not being codescending at all. Merely pointing out what was said to me by the NMC when I was asked to find out about the specialist practitioner title by my employers. I have the utmost respect for all levels of Nurses and was infact until the early 90s an Enrolled Nurse. I do agree with Anne that there are more qualified and respected nurses out there than those of us that hold qualifications from specialist practitioner courses. If you refer to my earlier original response to this subject I was merely saying, call yourself specialist practitioner if you so wish but do not say you have a recorded specialist practice qualification. If I caused offence to anyone I humbly apologise but this was not my intention. Duely chastised, Neil~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please remove this footer before replying. Visit http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/occ-health.html for list archives----- Original Message -----From: [log in to unmask]">Anne HarrissSent: Friday, May 14, 2004 6:18 PMSubject: Re: Specialist practitionerDear Neil and list I am intrigued as to why you feel the need to emphasise your holding of a recorded specialist practitioner qualification by underlining this in your email. Isn't this now all down to semantics? I hope that this is not your intention but there seems to be an implication that those who have not completed one of the courses validated since the late 90's are inferior practitioners. I was one of the educators who wrote and lead one of the first BSc courses validated at specialist practitioner level. I certainly do not believe that practitioners who hold an OHNC or OHND have an inferior qualification their content was totally focused on contemporary occupational health nursing practice. I would like to reassure those who hold an OHNC/D qualification - It is worth remembering that a number of extremely well respected educators and practitioners, including Carole Bannister (RCN), Dr Stuart Whittaker (ex-Birmingham University and contributor to the WHO document: The role of the OHN in workplace health management), and Jan Maw (ex ENB education officer for OH Nursing), not to mention other contributors to this list such as Greta (past OHN educator and currently OHN consultant and Consulting Editor of Occupational Health Journal) are specialist practitioners by virtue of holding an OHNC. These practitioners took their study further by completing degrees such as MSc or PhD which although not validated as "specialist practitioner" courses are studied at a significantly higher level than a BSc degree. Anne HarrissCourse Director BSc (Hons) OH Nursing London South Bank University ----- Original Message -----~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please remove this footer before replying. Visit http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/occ-health.html for list archivesFrom: [log in to unmask]">Neil and PaulSent: Friday, May 14, 2004 4:11 PMSubject: Re: Specialist practitionerExactly Greta. You are entitled to use the title. I have a recorded specialist practitioner qualification. If I am not mistaken you have a recorded oh qualification. Neil~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please remove this footer before replying. Visit http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/occ-health.html for list archives----- Original Message -----From: [log in to unmask]">Greta ThornborySent: Friday, May 14, 2004 3:27 PMSubject: Specialist practitionerSorry Neil but I do not agree with you. The NMC state quite clearly that anyone who has a Dip or Cert before the SP qualification came into being is a SP - see page 9 of the new NMC News 2004 No.7 and I quote'All practitioners who met the requirements to use the title specialist practitioner in 1995 until 1998 will be viewed as holding equivalent standing as those who were subsequently awarded the specialist practitioner qualification'This will mean that those of us who have OHNC or OHNdip from prior to 1995 will be entitled to enter the new third part of the register as 'specialist practitioners'. The reason for this is probably to stop thousands of OH nurses having to APEL for a specialist practitioer qualification which would be a costly exercise for all involved. Beyond this I believe it is down to semantics. Greta ----- Original Message -----From: "Neil and Paul" <[log in to unmask]>To: <[log in to unmask]>Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 2:19 PMSubject: Re: ENB N61 > Greta I am not disputing the fact that you can call yourself a SP but you
> cannot say you have qualification as a SP if you have the Dip or cert.
>
> Neil
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Greta Thornbory" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 7:00 PM
> Subject: Re: ENB N61
>
>
> > Just a thought then Neil - who teaches the 'Specialist Practitioner
> Degree
> > in OH' then if not another Specialist Practitioner in OH? As Anne Harriss
> is
> > the Programme Director for the 'Specialist Practitioner Degree in OH
> Degree'
> > programme for the RCN course she should know. I am sure you wil find that
> > many of us who have years of experience and are, according to Benners
> > description 'Expert' practitioners will be accepted by the NMC as
> Specialist
> > Practitioners as they do not appear to have anything other than the
> ablility
> > to record specialist practice, teaching and nurse prescribing.
> >
> > For those of you who remember - did we not go through all this once
> before
> > when those with the OHNC (when this was the only OH qualification) were
> told
> > similar things?
> >
> > Greta Thornbory
> > (and just for the record MSc OH. RGN. OHNC. DipN OH. PGCEA. MIOSH)
> (sorry
> > I never got time for the PhD)
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Neil and Paul" <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 5:43 PM
> > Subject: Re: ENB N61
> >
> >
> > > Anne,
> > >
> > > Just a point to clarify the position of the NMC. If you ahve completed
> a
> > > Specialist Practitioner Degree in OH then you can say that you have a
> > > recorded specialist qualification in the specialist practice of OH. If
> > you
> > > have the the diploma or cert you can call yourself a specialist
> > prcatitioner
> > > but you cannot say you have a recorded specialist practice
> qualification
> > in
> > > OH. You can say you have a recordable qualification in OH.
> > >
> > > Be careful with the terminology and you will be fine. In order to call
> > > yourself a specialist practitioner you should make sure that your PREP
> > > folder reflects the necessary competencies and skills to justify your
> > > statements.
> > >
> > > Neil Loach
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Anne Harriss" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 9:41 AM
> > > Subject: Re: ENB N61
> > >
> > >
> > > > on 12/5/04 9:58 pm, Christine Hamlet at [log in to unmask]
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Can anybody clarify what recognition this course gets on job
> > > applications
> > > > > as regards qualifications? When I completed the course in 2002
> the
> > ENB
> > > had
> > > > > ceased to exist and I was awarded a University Diploma (72 credits
> > at
> > > Level
> > > > > 2) in Occupational Health Nursing. I am confused when completing
> > > > > application forms as to exactly what it stands for and how much
> does
> > the
> > > > > prospective employer know about the course content?
> > > > > Any views or advice would be most welcome.
> > > > >
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> > > > The ENB N61 course does not give specialist practitioner status as
> > only
> > > > degree programmes (taught at level 3) were validated by the National
> > > Boards
> > > > to confer this recognition. People who studied the qualifications
> OHNC
> > and
> > > > DOHN qualifications, the precursors of the above degrees, are also
> > > > considered to be specialist practitioners - the the specialist
> > > practitioner
> > > > degrees were only validated by the ENB et al from the 1990's)
> > > >
> > > > The ENB N61 was intended to be an introduction to occupational
> health
> > > > nursing and in many institutions it gave level 2 access into these
> > level 3
> > > > specialist practitioner programmes eg BSc (Hons) Occupational Health
> > > > Nursing.
> > > >
> > > > Readers may be aware that the NMC are currently reviewing the
> Nursing
> > and
> > > > Midwifery Register and there will be a third part of the register
> for
> > > public
> > > > health nurses. Direct entry to that part is not envisaged, ie
> > > practitioners
> > > > will already have to be registered as a nurse. the only
> practitioners
> > who
> > > > will have the automatic right to register on that part of the
> register
> > are
> > > > health visitors. However, it is possible that OHNs who hold a
> > specialist
> > > > qualification in occupational health nursing studied at degree level
> > (or
> > > for
> > > > people like myself who studied the OHNC or DOHN) may in the future
> > have
> > > the
> > > > opportunity register on part 3 of the register. If this occurs there
> > may
> > > be
> > > > long term implications for people who wish to work as OH nurses who
> do
> > not
> > > > hold a specialist practitioner qualification in OH nursing validated
> > by
> > > > either the NMC or one of the now "extinct" National Boards".
> > > >
> > > > I hope this assists.
> > > >
> > > > Anne Harriss
> > > >
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